You are 'citing services'- that denied. And going to jail is in effect of messing with someone else's rights.. You still 'live'- As for 'pursuit of happiness'- the state doesn't take it away, it is forfeited by the person after engaging in actions that abuse other's rights. That is why we're a system of self-responsibility- not 'government's gonna give you everything' Peace be unto you Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Stop and think what you are saying: (1) Are you really intending to make having rights or not be a matter of how many vote Yea or Nea? How popular the right is? How many object to it existing etc. (2) Where in constitution are tax-payer supported fire departments "authorized" (or city police forces for that matter)? A VOLUNTARY militia is authorized, but not a tax supported police force. (3) Is not a VA hospital a "protection agency"? Why can not all Americans have this protections? (especially when in many other advanced countries for many years they have been shown to cost about half the US per capita health care cost and provide years more life expectancy)? Why can I be forced to pay taxes for a fire department and yet cannot be forced to pay taxes for a hospital that also serves all for free? Do you have some God given list? or what lets you pronounce one thing is a right and the other is not? I believe it is a democratic decision / choice what the government provides for free. I do however agree that there are only the three constitutional rights - other rights are created by this democratic process. Things like free public schools, the right to use public roads, etc. if you qualify by the standards also established by the government.
You don't read very well. I said EXECUTED, and mentioned Texas as they do more executions than other states.
Executed for abusing rights of others-- Peace be unto you Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Police is not a right. I was simply pointing out the widely different public opinion on Police and healthcare This falls under State Laws- the US Constitution gives all the other powers to the States and and the People- for 'these' you need to read the State Constitution. Police is a STATE agency. The MILITARY and its expenses is the duty of the US Federal Government. Peace be unto you Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Is your point that states could have free socalized medical services, but the federal government can not provide them? I.e. your saying that the VA hospitals are unconstitutional?
Do you know the 'benefits' that are offered by the government to HIRE Military officials? VA is part of the cost of the military- and it is constitutional because the Federal Government has the authority to run the military- and all costs associated with that to hire military personal and to keep them working is 'constitutional'.... And yes the states can provide 'socialized medicine' if they so desired through their state legislature- but the Federal Government can not. We realize that 'one for all' doesn't work most of the time- all states have their separate needs and thus they are allowed to deal with their problems separately- this idea is called State Rights. Oh and by the way- if the states, through their legislature, apply socialized medicine then THEY pay for it themselves- not the federal government (50 states). Peace be unto you Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
OK that "states rights" POV is a reason for allowing states to provide socialized medical service and against the FEDs doing it but by the same logic each state should have its own FDA and the Federal FDA is illegal / un-constitutional. I think the POV that the Federal government can only do what the constitution specifically names is overcome by fact it is also in constitution is that the federal government is to provide for the public welfare / public good (or some words to that effect.). E.G. I don't think the FDA is un-constitutional and certainly would not want to be without it. By the same logic that permits the FEDs to have an FDA, I think the FEDs can provide socialized medicine, since it is so well established that it would greatly reduce society's medical cost and extend life expectancy. (The public good / public welfare does not get more basic than that "right to life"!)
So you are entitled to the labor of doctors? They are your servants? No, we have police and fire services. We don't have a "right to police and fire protection", because we aren't entitled to the labor of policemen and firemen. If they choose to quit, we can't force them to work. It's a service, not a right.
It is in some of its operations- Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Each state should be allowed to make their own laws regarding food and drugs and the standards or what not. Constitution gives the US Government the power to regulate interstate commerce- the states can work together if they want with the Federal Government facilitating that commerce, but the laws and regulations should be left to the state when it comes to intrastate commerce. Federal Government has no authority to regulate intrastate commerce. The states can decide for themselves the standards, taxes, and what not. State's can handle it too. The problem is the 'one fits all' laws that are created by the Federal Government are hardly for 'public good'- the PUBLIC can decide it themselves through their State legislature- this allows for the states to deal with the problems in a wide spectrum of ways rather than the FedGov telling everyone what to do- The 'one for all' ideology is hardly for 'public good'- otherwise there is no point in State Rights or state laws or local governments... Local governments exist because they can more precisely identify problems and THEIR solutions- all states are not the same and should be allowed to deal with problems the way that best fits them..... Peace be unto you Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
A national health service wouldn't be slavery any more than national security services, or local police and fire services, are. Nobody is arguing that a particular individual has the right to force any other particular individual to police their neighborhood, put out fires or perform healthcare services. Rather, all individuals have a right to said services, and this places an obligation on society - and so, typically, the state - to erect and maintain systems for the provision of said services. This doesn't involve slavery. It involves raising revenue and using it to fund services. I.e., regular, normal governance - all this convoluted reasoning towards equating governance with slavery is preposterous.
If you use the services of the doctors, you pay them. They aren't just entitled to get paid for nothing, though; they agree to sell their labor in the market for a price. So "entitled" isn't the word I would use.
No, no individuals have a right to said services. Individuals have a right to action; but you do not have a right to the labor of others. You are not entitled to their work, and they are not entitled to yours. The right to life does not mean that you have an obligation to feed and clothe your neighbors. That's still their responsibility. Health care is a service provided by willing professionals, not a right that you are magically entitled to simply because it exists and you need it. You have to fulfill your own needs.
If you have an agreement with the insurance company, yes. But that is also a voluntary agreement, too. You contract the services of the company.
See that is the problem- everything is in that way... That is why I hate that clause- because the government says everything is. And 'regulate' meant tariff and taxes- not to set laws in how you trade and what you can trade and so on. But for this you'll need to bring up information from what the early 'founding father' generation understood of the word 'regulate' Why can't the federal government just facilitate the trade rather than enforce over-arching laws that hurt individual states- let the states decide their laws- the Federal Government and State Government should be working together not fighting each other like they do now- when the states are vehemently against laws that pass at the Federal level. Peace be unto you Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
