The Baldoon Mystery

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Magical Realist, Mar 28, 2015.

  1. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Apparently, you don't understand how "examples" work. That is by no means an exhaustive list, and I think it's pretty obvious how reposting a thread that has been locked by a moderator is "interfering with moderation"...

    Plus, you still have yet to try and refute the other points... so I think we can wrap this one up and merge it with the previously locked thread.

    EDIT - Guess we have another member getting special consideration to excuse their inability to take part in an actual scientific discussion... disgusting.
     
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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    You carefully ignored that bit.
    It's long been a policy of this forum that reposting a closed topic is a no no.
     
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  5. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    If they really wanted to ban you, I don't think they'd need to bother with an "excuse".
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    They do now that I PM James R about it.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong. There is no rule in Sci Forums about posting threads on the same topic, especially when the closed thread was wrongly closed just for being on the topic of poltergeists. There's no rule against posting about poltergeists in the Ghost subforum.
     
  9. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    But this is, however, a science foum and not a woo-woo forum.

    If you can't back up your claims with science, then you're going to get called out on that.

    If you ignore science on a science forum, regardless of the thread subject, you're going to get called out on that.
     
  10. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Indeed... it appears that crackpottery has found a new home, and it's name is Sciforums.com. A shame... I can recall a day where this forum hosted a plethora of intellectually stimulating threads that would intrigue the ranges from the layman to the expert and all in between.

    Enjoy your world of make believe.
     
  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I back every thread I post here with eyewitness accounts, photos, audio, video, and logical arguments. And if you haven't noticed, it IS a ghost, ufo, monster subforum. The content of my threads is entirely appropriate and evidently excellent fodder for lively discussion. Watch the post counts soar!
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  13. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    And it has been explained to you repeatedly why Eyewitness accounts are unreliable, and pointed out where your photos, videos, and audio are inconclusive at best... you just choose to ignore it. There is no "conversation" here... there is people showing you why you are wrong and you stubbornly ignoring it,just as you did the facts about measles and vaccinations.
     
  14. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    If your "evidence" is so irrefutable, why hasn't it been accepted and ghosts regarded as scientific fact?
     
  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong again. Nobody pisses people off for presenting weak arguments and no evidence. There is nothing to be pissed off about that. What pisses people off is when a very strong argument is made based on evidence and people lack the ability to refute it. When their own beliefs about reality are undermined by facts they can't refute. That's what's happening here. And that's why as usual you got nothing but attempts to insult and ad hom. If you could effectively argue your points you wouldn't need to do that. But you don't. And that's why I'm a gadfly in an otherwise lockstep hive of upset drones. Nobody likes their boat rocked, especially when it's the USS Science.
     
  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Because the scientific elite, with their publishers and grants and university cocktail parties, don't consider it good science to even discuss it, much less do research in it. It's verboten. Taboo. Hence it remains a grassroots research movement, performed by investigators less concerned with their career and more concerned with finding out the truth.
     
  17. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    It's impossible to "effectively argue" points when the other person revels in their ignorance.

    It's like trying to debate a brick wall.
     
  18. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    The only elitist attitude here is yours.

    However, since you are, once again, making an insane claim:

    Please provide evidence of this "scientific elite" even existing, much less of them declaring paranormal research taboo or otherwise "prohibited by dictate."
     
  19. Bells Staff Member

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    To be fair, you do have a habit of refusing point blank to accept scientific evidence and information which may prove your theories wrong.

    If you cannot discuss issues without being angry that science is being used to refute it, then people become fed up with the whole thing and then the threads follow the same course as all the rest, where people are just arguing for argument's sake.

    As I have noted to you in the past, MR, it is a matter of looking at everything it could be and then eliminating each one by applying the facts of each case to each of the things it could be.

    In the Baldoon case, it was more than likely a bird, or another form of wildlife that had gotten into that house. His conferring with a psychic right from the start may not have been his best recourse. Coupled with a woman who apparently claimed that a curse had be put upon them and his and his family obviously believing in such things as curses only heightened their sense of awareness for anything and everything, so with that level of fear, and belief in curses, the results become very predictable. The mere suggestion of such things in people who do believe in such things is enough to make them see or feel something, or hear things. It does become a common problem and psychosomatic as others will start to see things and hear things.. Shared fear, mass panic and fear and terror.. It is amazing how well it works to make people see things or experience things that aren't really happening.

    Coupled with the fact that this was in a period where such manifestations were popular, especially amongst the higher set in society, who used to hold parties for the specific purpose of finding ghosts and the like or speak to the dead.. It was all staged, but these people believed it when they saw it.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not the one who get's angry here. The record of my flaming and being insulted constantly while I calmly make my points speaks for itself. You shut a thread down for it, remember? As for the poltergeist events witnessed by 26 signed statements, no, I think not a bird. Unless it was a bird who was invisible, could light fires, make objects fly thru the air, throw stones, and shake the whole building. lol! Once again, the eyewitnesses hold priority here. And the consistency of hundreds of these cases 0ver three centuries says only one thing: they are the real deal.
     
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  21. Bells Staff Member

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    I always find that eyewitness testimony, especially in that kind of environment, to be testy and not that reliable.

    And you would be amazed at the noise that wild life can make in walls and what they can do inside your house if they are able to get in. I had a large snake in the walls and ceiling of our house and the noises that thing made at night used to scare the crap out of us. We had people come in to see and check and we never knew what it was. One day my ex husband had gone up there and there it was, a large diamond python, curled up in a corner. Then come the possums and sometimes mice from the bushland next door make it into the house itself. Sometimes it literally sounds like footsteps running through the house.

    Now put something like that in a high stress environment where the idea of spirits has already been introduced to all who enter said house.. The power of suggestion is very strong.

    There are many things that can make things move around in a house.

    Don't forget, these people are going there with the full knowledge of paranormal things in that house, so whatever they may see will sometimes automatically end up being something else altogether, after all, their minds will be trying to match with what they know of the house.

    As for throwing stones and lighting fires. Possums can do that. My former sister-in-law had a possum family living in her roof, and they used to open her son's bedroom window, hop over her sleeping son and the things they did in her kitchen.. Sometimes an orange would roll down the hall on its own or the limes.. They used to like throwing the limes. Wasn't spirits.

    Eliminate all it could be. Look at the house itself, who lived there, their history, their experiences, what could lead people to seeing or experiencing such phenomena? Had anyone involved experienced trauma of some sort when they were younger? Was suggestion involved? Trickery? What were the circumstances surrounding all of it and each individual? What time did these things happen? Did they wait for people to get there to happen (always a tell tale sign of fraud)? And so on and so forth.
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    People who live in the woods know about animals and the sounds they make. These weren't animals. Here's a replay of part of the OP:

    "Strange things continued to happen. Stones, seemingly thrown by phantoms, pelted the farmhouse until every window was shattered. When visitors and family members examined the stones, they found that they were smooth and damp, as though they had been flung from the bed of the river that ran right in front of the house. The roof leaked when it wasn’t raining. Mysterious little fires broke out all over the house. “I saw the house take fire upstairs in ten different places at once,” recalled William Fleury, who lived just up the road from the McDonald family. Once the earth moved the very foundations of the house – and only the McDonald house was shaken by this earthquake. Pots and pans inexplicably crashed from the counters and tables.

    “At the time of this trouble,” reported local resident William Stewart, “I lived about three quarters of a mile from the place and was present and saw for myself many of these strange things. Mr. Alex Brown, with the others, took a number of lead balls that came in through the window, marked them, tied them in a bag, and dropped them in to the centre of the Channel Ecarte, in about 36 feet of water, and in a short time the ball came back through the window. I was present when the barn was burned and also when a man by the name of Harmon was preaching there. At this time a large stone came right through the door, breaking out one of the panels, and rolled in front of the minister. The stone apparently had come out of the water. A search was made about the house, but no person could be seen. I also saw a loaf of bread move off the table and dance around the room. The owner of the house, John T. McDonald, I know to be a very respectable man.”

    As news of these occurrences spread, hundreds of curiosity seekers from the surrounding areas began to visit the house in hopes of witnessing poltergeist activity first-hand – even the Toronto Globe reported the events as they occurred. The McDonalds took advantage of the situation and profited as a tourist attraction until their safety was really threatened:

    “I went with my father to see what was going on at Belledoon for I was very young at that time,” H. Drulard later recalled. “We saw a pot rise from a hearth and chase a dog outside and all around the yard. It could not get away from the pot, for it would hit the dog and he would yell and howl with all his might. I saw an old fashioned butcher knife pass through a crowd of fifty men and strike into the wall the whole length of a ten-inch blade. This happened in 1830.”
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    They all sound quite fantastic.

    And that is the problem.

    It seems that each eyewitness saw something even more extraordinary.

    This was the case where he went to see the doctor's daughter who was some kind of psychic who told him the initial issues were evil spirits, weren't they? Spirits brought on by a woman who put a curse on the man and the house?

    And there was a dark coloured duck involved and he threw a silver bullet at an old woman or something along those lines? From what I vaguely remember of this story, he had to throw the bullet at the duck or something, he missed and hit the old woman instead.

    It could have been kids playing near or by the river and playing a trick on him.. Was the house built in a migratory path of another animal? I know here koalas and even possums will try and break down a door to houses if they are built in their traditional path or in the way of where they would have normally gone to mate. My cousin and his new wife went on a honeymoon in the mountains many years ago and were woken up in the middle of the night by what they thought was a beast scratching at the door, growling and grunting and making this terrifying noise. Their wedding night was spent in terror as this thing attacked their cabin. The next morning revealed scratch marks and gouges on the outside of their timber cabin and the person who ran the grounds laughed and said it was a very large male koala.. And having heard them at my parents house, things would thump against the house, once something large smashed really hard into the window and it scared the crap out of me. It was a possum that had tried to jump from a tree to the roof of the house and missed and smashed into the window instead. They've had owls smash into the windows (which always looks funny the next morning), not to mention kookaburras. My mother's niece was convinced their house was haunted when she came for a holiday. That first night she said she cowered in terror, afraid to move or turn out the light. The next morning saw a large koala in a tree just over the fence. Those things are vicious at night.

    If I had really wanted to terrify her, I'd have told her it was built on an old Aboriginal cemetery..

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    My parents neighbours often joke that they turned into alcoholics the first time they moved into that street, because the things you hear at night..

    Suggestion and the mind believing it has to be something otherworldly or paranormal because what else could it be.. Because this is what they expected or have been conditioned to believe.

    And in the case of Baldoon, he and everyone else immediately thought it was spirits and isn't it funny that the spirits and the things they did seemed to match the times and match very carefully the things that people used to do in their homes when they had seances and had faked so many things for entertainment? The expectation that it was something supernatural was there right from the start. Anything they would have experienced after that upon arriving on that property was probably over-exaggerated and it frankly would have been outside of their control.
     

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