Tesla- The best kept secret of the 20th century

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  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    So there is no particle beam technology that you know of. Ok then. Just asking.
     
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  3. brennus Registered Member

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    Most certainly he was working on particle beam technology. Here is just one of many links about it.
    http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_mispapers.html
     
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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I often tell people that I think Tesla was one of the most visionary inventors of the last century. So much so that they probably wouldn't have an iPhone today if it were not for Tesla.

    Most look at me stupidly and ask: What?

    Then I say, Tesla, you know, like a really old Steve Jobs.

    Then they look at me and ask: Who?

    ..... ..... .... .... .. .. most of these morons are working on their doctorate in medical research. Be scared. Be very very scared.



    Is there a conspiracy to keep information hidden from the public? No. People are morons. If it's not about Hanna Montana doing a lap dance so some 44 year old TV Producer can finally get enough of a woody to go home a do his hag of a wife - who got caught out flashing her teets at a cop following a DUI accident with a tree, well, they ain't interested.
     
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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah unfortunately you tend to end up with the wrong impression if all you read (or provide others to read) is puff-pieces that don't state the actual data.
    Tesla's "particles" were actually metallic droplets/ pellets. And that's according to his own papers. His weapon (which he offered to a number of governments and signally failed to produce in even prototype form) no was more a "particle beam" than is a machine gun.
     
  8. brennus Registered Member

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    Sir, there is data out there except for the secret stuff that can be read about this and other thing he was working on and a lots of so-called puff-pieces also. Don't forget he died over 65 years ago and is one of the best kept secrets.
     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    "Secret stuff"?
    Yet another myth. His papers were handed back a few years after his death.
    And you still don't have anything other than some nebulous, and so far unsupported, claim that he was working on "particle beams".
    He's not a "best-kept secret" so much as simply obscure (and, unfortunately over-lauded by crackpots).
     
  10. brennus Registered Member

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    Your opinion is irrelevant.
     
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  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately it's not an opinion.
    You have made claims, and failed to show anything to back them.
    If you bother actually checking, as opposed to falling for the conspiracy theory, you may, one day, learn something.
    But if you prefer credulous, uninformed ignorance to knowledge then that's your choice.
     
  12. brennus Registered Member

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    Now you've made a claim and failed to show anything to back it up except with your opinion. And that as stated previously is irrelevant. I still state it again that Tesla is the best kept secret of the 20th century.
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Still wrong: it's not an opinion.
    Also, before you start a thread try searching for existing ones on the same topic. Like this one.
    http://timelines.com/1934/7/10/the-new-york-times-publicizes-nikola-teslas-particle-beam-research
    http://www.tfcbooks.com/teslafaq/q&a_011.htm
    What I find particularly interesting is the final two sentences: specifically it's NOT a "ray" (which a genuine particle beam would be) and the claim that "death rays" aren't even possible. Interesting. And wrong.

    Your opinion is incorrect.
    For example Google "Thomas Edison" and "Nikola Tesla". Respectively 2,940,000 results and 1,950,000 results. So your "best-kept secret" obtains 2/3 as many mentions as Edison? Wow! That's really, really secret.
    Let's try Amazon. After all, they don't write many books about "secrets".
    "Edison": 4,875 Results.
    "Tesla": 6,598 Results.
    Now that's what I call secret. 35% MORE books written about him (or mentioning him) than a public figure like Edison...

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  14. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    There is a little more to it then just calling it myth. First, how do you know that everything was handed back? The family had a hard time getting it back. Second, why did the US government sized his properties and went through it microfilming everything? Becuse:

    This is actually fact:

    "At the time of his death, Tesla had been working on the Teleforce weapon, or 'death ray,' that he had unsuccessfully marketed to the US War Department. It appears that Teleforce was related to his research into ball lightning and plasma, and was conceived as a particle beam weapon."

    "Shortly thereafter Tesla's papers and other property were impounded by the United States' Alien Property Custodian office in Tesla's compound at the Manhattan Warehouse, even though he was a naturalized citizen."

    "After the FBI was contacted by the War Department, his papers were declared to be top secret. The personal effects were sequestered on the advice of presidential advisers; J. Edgar Hoover declared the case most secret, because of the nature of Tesla's inventions and patents.[108] One document stated that "[he] is reported to have some 80 trunks in different places containing transcripts and plans having to do with his experiments [...]". Altogether, in Tesla's effects, there were the contents of his safe, two truckloads of papers and apparati from his hotel, another 75 packing crates and trunks in a storage facility, and another 80 large storage trunks in another storage facility. The Navy and several "federal officials" spent two days microfilming some of the stuff at the Office of Alien Properties storage facility in 1943, and that was it, until Oct., 1945.[109]"

    "Tesla's family and the Yugoslav embassy struggled with the American authorities to gain these items after his death because of the potential significance of some of his research. "

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    Now you could say that government scientists eventually found nothing valuable among his properties and notes, but the truth is that we will never know either way....
     
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  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    It was signed for: in and out AFAIK.

    Because he HAD been working on government projects at various stages of his career.

    And several other countries. As I have previously said he failed to get it working.

    Granted. You can either believe the "man" or take it with a pinch of salt. Or you can subscribe to the crackpot conspiracy theories...
    Governments do lie. On the other hand there's no actual evidence that whatever "secret projects" Tesla worked on has been "perfected" and gone into use. (Tom "rabid crank" Bearden notwithstanding).
     
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  16. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, that explains. It was signed, so they couldn't tamper with it.

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    I can just see in my mind the description:

    "1 very detailed description (22 pages) with drawings how to build a laser beam (aka death ray) in less then 5 steps"

    I am not saying the government based the Stealth bomber on Tesla's work, but there could have been there easily some useful material... For building a microwave or something...
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Maybe so, but that wasn't the question I asked. Where are the particle beam weapons you claim exist today? Who is using them?

    Alarm bells always go off with me whenever somebody feels the need to introduce a story with "This is actually fact"...

    The US War Department didn't want a death ray? Why not?
     
  18. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know of any that are actually deployed (and many of the more workable systems would violate various treaties about radiation weapons), but the United States has developed many weapons systems along these lines for several decades now. There was a rash of them during the 80's as part of SDI, including a neutral particle beam weapon that was launched into space and test fired before being recovered and left to moulder in the facility I used to work in back in my undergrad days.

    I can tell you for certain that a considerable number of scientists and engineers in multiple countries are still actively developing new and improved particle beam weapons. Whether we'll ever see them deployed in any numbers is a different question, but the weapons themselves have existed for decades. The kicker is that, in addition to the usual secrecy around military development, most of these technologies have lots of other civilian and research applications, and so the military aspect of their development is not typically publicized (even when the basic project itself is).

    Presumably because that one didn't work. I can tell you for certain that there is an entire death ray industry within the US military industrial complex, though. Except "death ray" is really something of a misnomer, retained for humor value. I say this because these systems aren't useful for attacking people - regular old bullets will do that more effectively at a tiny fraction of the cost - but for destroying/disabling missiles, land mines, command and control systems, etc.
     
  19. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    ...I see a dog avatar. After all I am a catbunny.

    They wanted a working one...

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  20. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Dywyddyr,
    That quote from timeline's makes it sound like he was messing with Microwaves which could of been produced as an electromagnetic side effect of messing with electricity.

    So... can you blame Tesla for Microwave meals? (It kind of proves that it was a "death ray", death of cuisine.)
     
  21. madethesame Banned Banned

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    hello,
    it is good he died with the technology in his head. thats why he was denied noble prize for AC electricity.
    he knew scalar waves technology.
     
  22. madethesame Banned Banned

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    Tesla did not wanted his technology to be used for negative purposes, he was denied noble prize for AC electricity.
     
  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    He didn't.
    There was no "knowledge".

    Not only was he not denied it, he wasn't nominated.

    Since there is no "scalar wave technology" it would be rather difficult to know about it.
     

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