Tabby's Star (Dyson Sphere, Alien SETI Eclipse?) Flickering Again

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by danshawen, May 30, 2017.

  1. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    I think ignoring early settlements that the united states would be the most succesful colony in that they relativly brought in more value (Science entertainment etc) then others. They are also somewhat warlike. Any nation that lives in a other star system is eventually going to become a other nation and a potential threat for earth. A dyson sphere on the other hand would be the equivallent of 550 million planets settled (in surface area). Integrate a matrioska brain behind it and you can build several universes that obeys your personal set of physics if you like. the equivallent of 550 million physical worlds and countless universes worth of digital space. It could be enough.
    Not saying that there is no need for a presence outside the solar system. But we are far from done with our own.
     
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  3. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Haven't read Ringworld Throne?.
     
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  5. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    I'm reading lincoln childs the third gate at the moment. I'm afraid I only read like 3 or 4 books in a year now. Never read anything of the ringworld series I' afraid. But I'm still planning to.
    Dyson spheres are most definitly a alternative for interstellar colonization.
    There are a couple of reasons why you would want to move out from earth and he most selfisch ones (emmigration of..., economical, manufacturing, enviromentally) can be done cheaper with a dyson sphere then interstellar colonization. A dyson sphere is easier to control as a cohesive unit and can be larger then a interstellar empire. Meanwhile you can observe and send probes to nearby star systems. These will probably be lifeless. We could terraform them with only non intilligent lifeforms in such a way it's fairly unlikly that any intiligence would develop in the first 5 million year but reasonably likely that it could happen within 50 million years. It would be a good form of life Insurance. The mass from the dyson sphere could come from the asteroid belt when it's still yust a ring around the earth but eventually Mercury and before this planet is mined we will probably get the minerals from the sun itself (more then enough mass and more then enough energy to turn the hydrogen in more usefull elements). I see humanity do that for a cuple of 1000 years afther that science will have advanced to a point where we have more options.
    By that time the infra red radiations that emitted from the dyson sphere will power computers on a solar system scale. These computers will again partially emit heat that will be used by a other level of computers that will simulate some virtual enviroments at the start, entire epochs on a planetairy scale, and eventually universes designed by men, where the relative constant is optional and time is whatever we wan't it to be fasther or slower.
    Sure thousands of years but remember the rise of the roman empire is closer to us then the building of the pyramids to the rise of rome.
    Time flies when you are to dead to notice or have to read it in a history book
     
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  7. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    I'll take that as a "no".
     
  8. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    Do you recommend it? in the ringworld series? or do you need the first books first
     
  9. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    The series is well worth a read. You'd need the first to explain Teela Brown and why Louis Wu needs a droud. I re-read them ever 5-10 years.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Ringworld is my number one all time favorite books. Niven is my all-time favorite author.
    My second favorite book is Protector, part of the same universe.
     
  11. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    "Mote" is my all time favorite Niven, but the Ringworld series is right up there in the cloud called "favorites". I read Mote while watching Mt. Etna explode.
     
  12. Walter L. Wagner Cosmic Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld
     
  13. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    I could look out my window and imagine "Fist of God" looking back at me. I mean it even had a hole in the top! (And on some days, when the conditions were right, it looked like Ringworld is supposed to have looked. Odd optical illusion that made it look like it curved off into infinity.)
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Just refrain from driving your city into the caldera...
     
  15. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    I'd have to be high to do that. And I can't find my droud. TANJ it!
     
  16. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I enjoyed Ringworld too. But I didn't think much of Niven's notion of species with non-sentient females. I'd have thought evolution would be more likely to tolerate non-sentient males. At least if the arthropods here are anything to go by, it is the males that tend to be expendable.
     
  17. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    And going by a single example is hardly wise.

    Anyway, having ONE species that has non-sentient females is hardly damning. E. E. "Doc" Smith had a near-human race where the males were little more than animals. It's just a device for a writer.
     
  18. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    Sexual dimorphism is a good substitute for the fact that there is only one real race on earth. Also (human) men and women look remarkable similar (if you think abouth it the largest differences are in hair and clothes and considering that glasses have only been around for maybe a 150 year how close could a women come without being gendered 10 meters without talking if you focus? 1 meter if it's noisy and everyone is busy). This is made somewhat extra weird in that we are so capable to be highly specialized in certain tasks. Humans and chimps have little Sexual Dimorphism, Gorillas and orangutans have a lot.
    then like the orangutans some males have those flaps and others have not. It's a testerone thing that may distrubingly think of a form of Phrenology that atually says something abouth you.
    So yeah dimorphism. It's fun to weave storys around
     
  19. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    I'm now actually halfway through that book
     
  20. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Good for you. Have you read The Mote In God's Eye? I read those two the same month. The Brownies-Versus-Battlecruiser bit was fun.
     
  21. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    no my science fiction so far consist mostly of stuff like the martian/Artemis (recent years) kim Stanley mars trilogy (somewhat older) and michael crichton works. Usually when I drift toward fantasy and world building I go to Terry Pratchetts discworld, neil gaimans books, the lord of the rings and george rr martins works.
    The ring world has more of a star wars then a star trek feel I think it doesn't try to explain itself and builds worlds and characters with consistent and unexplained technology. It's a cool concept the ringworld but like the book admits the shell needs to have a tensile strenth on par with the strong nuclear force.
    I like the characters and how the evolve their very stereotypical at the start and the world shows us many wonders. But as it progresses the ring is dangerous and the characters start showing their flaws Nessus with his tasp is especialy disturbing, speaker to animals seems if not sensible to be steadfast in his thinking and he might not be loyal, you can accuratly predict when he will protect or betray the party. Teela is simply there to explain plot points and has no real character i Think. Louis then is the main explorer of the world and commenter. He comes of Sunny but gets darker as the story progresses. Does he save teela because it's the right thing to do or because it's a adventure and he's bored?
     
  22. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    You're wrong about Teela. Or rather the Luck of Teela Brown.
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Larry would die of mortification. His rule #0 is internal consistency - especially in technology.

    Oh, the tells lies. You have to when your world is 500 years in the future - but he gets those lies out in the opening act and then religiously adheres to them.
     

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