Suicides more likely to be atheists

That's not my belief. As you have been repeatedly informed.

Historians in general do nothing of the kind, it would be question-begging if they did, we were discussing atheism rather than religion, and this lying little schtick you are pulling with misrepresentations such as what I "may consider" is getting a bit old.

There's no impasse here. Just denial of direction by you.

Suicide. Atheism. Correlation. analysis of, cross-culturally. I know you can do it, if you try.

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Stalinist Russia,your type specimen of "atheist society" whatever that is supposed to mean, was notable for the multigenerational families in each dwelling - an unusual feature of a Western industrial power. Also, a fairly high suicide rate, even higher if alcoholism were included in a percentage.

With the collapse of the Soviet State in '89, which presumably made it a thestic society again (the ever-present theistic church did not collapse, but instead increased), the multigenerational families continued, and the suicide and alcoholism rates jumped to even higher levels.

 

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Hmm so atheism does not work even if the family unit is maintained? Thats interesting.

All that atheistic brainwashing. What did they call it? League of the Militant Godless. You're bound to see it till the generations die out. Supports that Turkish study on atheistic education and suicide ideation too. Bet you'll see it go down as religion takes hold. I believe they have started religious education in Russia again.

They do, actually. Look up the fall of Greece, Rome, Carthage, the Ottoman Empire.

 

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You're intellectually dishonest, that's what.

Red herrings swimming everywhere. Sam's drowning in her own waste.

 

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So what conclusion did you arrive at?:

1. If I don't sign up for a religion I will commit suicede?
2. If I leave a religion, I will kill myself?
3. Religion works as suicede prevention?

All horseshit by the way...

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Since it directly contradicts your assertions, it's also relevant.

The prevalence and distribution of organized theism vs multigenerational cohesive families in the US over the past 450 years also contradicts your assertions, of course. But probably mere physical circumstance is not the issue, I would guess.

Apparently, it held families together and kept the suicide and alcoholism rates down. As soon as theism came back, families fell apart and they both jumped.

Or are you going to fall back on the continual strong theistic presence that actually dominated your alleged "atheistic society"?

I'm sure you can find some historians - especially from older Christian scholarly traditions interpreting the world as progressing toward a Christian era - who will interpret events as being marked by what they regard as the "decay" of some religion, especially not Christianity. More sensible people notice that the question is actually begged by such analysis - how are you deciding when Rome fell, for example? It certainly wasn't marked by the "decay" of Christianity - unless you regard the institutionalizing and empowering of that religion as a "decay", which some do.

Similar problems with Sparta, Athens ("Greece", apparently), Carthage, etc.

Now the "decay" of a religion may have something to do with the rotting of the Ottoman Empire. But seeing as how the religion most closely involved seems to have spread with new vigor during the decay and from the corpse, another interpretation of exactly what was decaying and why seems plausible, no?

 

The religious decay is specific to the society, not to the religion. Note that when the Ottomans collapsed, they had abandoned religion altogether. Ataturk instituted an athiest Turkey, which is reverting to Islamists.

 

Are you seriously claiming that the Ottoman Empire formed a society, and that society had abandoned religion at the time of the collapse?

All these "atheist societies" created by fiat, packed full of the most seriously theistic people on earth. Odd.

 

The Ottomans had. Many of the upper class [the power groups] Arabs were very much into communism at the time and the elite were all very secular and very anti-religion. Don't you know?

The society was already fragmented and the post nationalism period has brought back the religious ideology that was missing before. Even Saud, for example, was led by a religious reformer, and destroyed all the historical Islamic structures to impose his new system of Islam.

 

Is that your idea of an "atheist society" - a small ruling class with a somewhat higher than average proportion of communists, and an empire of dozens of societies full of fundamentalist theists ?

 

Why don't you tell the real story, with facts, instead of making up your own story to suit your agenda?

 

Lets hear what the 'facts' are according to you.

 

You're quoting the Discovery Institute? Priceless.

I see what you mean by 'facts'. Thanks for sharing

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Untill the New Millenia black males had the lowest suicide rate of all ethnicities and white males had the highest in America.

 

Black males in America do not stick around to raise their children; and everyone knows that suicide is most often an escape from our own hideous brood.

Voila.

 

So accoreding to the assertions here we have low suicide rates among 1) slaves and the oppressed 2) fundamentalist theists, especially those in poverty.

And high suicide rates among 1) the rich and free 2) atheists.

Common factors involved ?

 

You rather live a lie then ?

 

its FUN!!
Ive killed myself several times already and still cant get enough..

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It is most often the mothers and grandmothers in black society that have raised them. I think that instilled them with the will to survive due to the slavery roots. Subjugation has an effect of forcing individual and cultures to accept their fates and position in life...thus survival is the only real concern.

 

I'd rather not brainwash children with dead end ideologies.

 

Yes you would, as long as it makes societies and "great civilizations".