Star Wars vs Star Trek

That planet beam shot at the core and used combinations.

 

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WRONG! Even EU haters admit it's canon, but not the Trekkers, they KNOW Star Trek is a low baryonic shit compared to Star Wars.

Which is a laugh. Because the GE can use more power in an hour than all three can do in a year. The Borg have been conquering planets for hundreds of centuries and a few thousand is THE BEST THEY COULD MANAGE. The Imperium which the Trek fanboys state is weaker than the Federation managed to conquer billions of plants in 200 years. More proof Trek is full of fanboy shit.

Irrelevant, because none of those weapons are in the gigaton range. I bet ONE Acclamator firing a medium turbo could destroy many Enterprises.

Haha. They have exaton class shielding, that is also regenerating teratons (more than what the Federation could ever pump out) a second. How are the Feds going to dent them? Hell, in ICS, a TIE Fighter can pump out terajoules, so... the strongest ships of the Federation HAVE to fight them if they don't want certain doom, and even with TIES, they'll have problems.

 

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Transponder codes are normally a guarded secret that usually also carries the friend or foe signal. It is this signal that tells other vessels what party it belongs to and the shield info so allied parties can bypass them in an emergency. "Wounded" never really showed how it happens but Wrath of khan did so Kirk can take down the Reliant's shields.

 

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How will they find these codes? I love Kittamaru's theory that the shitty Federation can advance to becoming a Type 3 Civilization in 300 years but the Galactic Empire (who's Death Star is 1E38Joules and stronger than the shitty Doomsday and Planet Killer weapons) which has advanced for 25,000 years, hasn't advanced at all. Actually, if he thinks that a Federation ship is better than a Dalek ship, then he must REALLY be deluded.

 

like I said fanatical fanatical fanatical. You probably have a small dick. There's no other logical explanation for your continuous illogical rants about power outputs.

 

They have claimed it as canon, but it is LOWER CANON, meaning that movies and shows have priority over them. Both show high megaton range, although stronger than Fed tech, still much lower than the giga-tera-peta-exa-whatever ranges that are claimed in the EU.

They took over from the former Republic, which had thousands of years to collect the number of systems they had. If I remember correctly, most of those systems are uninhabited, primitive, or under-developed and willingly joined during the change to the Empire.

 

Not to mention how utterly agile they are - in Nemesis, we saw them rotate the Ent-E across all sorts of vectors and axis in order to keep their strongest shields facing the scimitar.

 

What in gods name do you mean by combinations? Do you mean it combined the 8 beams into one? So did the Death Star - and it's called Coalescence - the DS fired 3 (or 4?) beams that coalesced at a point in space and then lanced at the planet. 8472 uses smaller, faster, more agile ships and does the same thing...

 

I just noticed most of Ricery's "sources" are:

# Republic assault ship in the Databank
# Attack of the Clones: Incredible Cross-Sections
# Star Wars: Complete Cross-Sections
# The Official Star Wars Fact File 105 (Republic Assault Ship)
# Coruscant and the Core Worlds
# Revised Core Rulebook
# The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels
# "Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic" – Star Wars Insider 84
# Star Wars Miniatures: Starship Battles
# Starships of the Galaxy (2007)
# "Ground Assault" - Star Wars PocketModel TCG (Card: Implacable Acclamator-class transport)
# "Ground Assault" - Star Wars PocketModel TCG (Card: Majestic Acclamator-class transport)
# "Ground Assault" - Star Wars PocketModel TCG (Card: Yoda's Acclamator-class transport)
# "Order 66" - Star Wars PocketModel TCG (Card: Prosecuter Acclamator-class Transport)
# "Clone Wars" - Star Wars PocketModel TCG (Card: Galactic Guardian Acclamator-class transport)
# "Clone Wars" - Star Wars Pocket

Lawl, not one cannon source in the bunch

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While I am really unaware of the abilities of Dr. Who ships, it is possible that ST can reach type three in a reasonable period of a few hundred years.

As for the GFFA, they probably have reached type three, but an incredibly long period of peace under the Republic caused stagnation in tech advancement and they most likely forgot a large portion of what they have learned. Lasers and Turbo-lasers are the only things that they may have remembered that time so are the main (if not only) choice they had when they started rebuilding warships for the Clone Wars.

The Milky Way had a similar stagnation period after the treaty with the Klingons in the 23rd century and into the mid 24th century. There were no outright wars so the Feds became lulled into a false sense of peace and dropped weapons development in favor of exploration. Of course this came to a screeching halt after contact with the Borg, the Cardassian war and the new rising threat of the Dominion. Since then, Starfleet started regaining their military stance and churned out warships and their equivalents from then on.

 

So half of his sources are mostly game stats?:bugeye:

 

Well actually, Lucas said himself that if it didn't contradict the movies, it's canon. So as long as these don't contradict the movies they're canon. The one's I left in might be canon.

 

Game stats?? Those were his sources??

 

Well, here's the thing... we've been going about this all wrong.

We need to convert EVERYTHING into it's base Joule value for a straight comparison... even Mike Wong has stated upper limits for SW firepower around 250 TJ, which is impressive... except that in ST: Voyager, Season 3 Episode 19 Rise, they fully expected to vaporize (into particles less than 1mm across according to dialogue) an asteroid no less than 350m in length (though on screen they state 1/2 a km) using a single standard photon torpedo, which results in a low-end yield of at least 420,000 TJ, or 100 Megatons.

 

Heh, here's the thing - your death star could shoot at the Doomsday Device all day and it's just keep coming at it... ST Neutronium is INDESTRUCTIBLE mate. So, you call it shitty- I call it awesome.

And the Feds are far better than a basic, poorly-designed race that runs around with a "gunstick" going -EX-TER-MI-NATE all the time... sorry, I love Dr. Who, but you can't deny that the premise and design is all just... eh? I mean, really... it's fun to watch, but horribly drawn.

 

Yeah, but the on-screen evidence often contradicts these things...

 

Examples of new SF Ship Design:

Defiant, Prometheus, Sovereign, Akira, Norway, Sabre, and Excelsior-II (like the Lakota) - all potent ships for their class.

Sovereign / Prometheus - Battle Cruiser
Excelsior-II - Heavy Battlecruiser
Defiant/Norway - Heavy Escort (similar to a Dreadnaught - far more firepower than they themselves can defend against)
Akira - Torpedo Cruiser
Sabre - Frigate

 

In regards to canon, Lucas has said that the Films are absolute canon. The EU is supposedly in a parallel universe but their elements are also canon if not in conflict with the movies.

The Holocron Continuity Database elaborates further by categorizing everything into different canon levels with the movies as supreme and then filtering down the line into lesser materials. It is the HCD's policy that most people (including most posters on this board) generally refer to.

My basic source and linking hub is from this page.

 

Source, I DOUBT it's indestructible.

Fanboy alert! So, a race that can beat a Type 4 Civilization, destroy stars with standard ships, time travel on a whim, create superweapons that destroy galaxies, move planets, erase things from space-time, and be virtually immune to DET and NRF weapons, YEAH. They are so much weaker than ST Feds that even the Q can't beat them. Fanboy. ALERT.

 

Also - the Borg Shields HAVE stopped kinetic attacks before - Best of Both Worlds pt2 - Worf was thrown away by Locutus personal shield... so obviously they CAN use their shields to adapt to physical weapons, but given the fact that in hand-to-hand combat they absolutely SCHOOLED Riker and Worf (best of both worlds Pt 1) its safe to say they normally expect to wtfpwn anyone dumb enough to get that close, so they simply don't.

We can also say that the Borg wouldn't stay adapted to everything at once - it's inefficient. For example, they aren't adapted to EVERY phaser frequency, so you can sneak some shots in until they learn the pattern of frequency shifting you are using.

So, we can safely assume that, if they encountered them more often, the Borg would adapt to projectile weapons and other weapons.