Star Wars vs Star Trek

Yeeees. The infamous Akira-prise. A falacy of canonicity. What came after came before the original...This has yet to be explained by paramounts cheap executives. Both ships were Darned ugly like looking at too ugly twins walking down the street. One was bad enough a second one is an unpleasant Deja voo horror....

I don't hate the Akira completely. It's just an unpleasant reminder of the assembly line nature Trek executives are taking to what was a beautiful artistic flow of ships untill we got up to First Contact in which every new ship was a completely offensive take on Matt Jefferies original. These ships are unbeatiful ( Including Sovereign) unfunctional and un trek. They don't stay to the design philosphy Trek as devolped to this point. We've even seen the devolpment of multi nacelles ships like Prometheus which fly in the face of unified field theory which states among other things that stability is a two pole field structure. No third pole can be thrown into any field without breaking it. But Prometheus doesn't destroy warp field theory completely at least it's sex nacelles...perhaps the saucer engines are inactive and the primaries on each side of the ship work together instead of independently...

Who knows...Alll we know is four nacelles doesn't make a faster or mor stable warp field and Prometheus was no different.

 

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Actully, no, I don't believe that...

 

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I think only 2 nacelles were working at any given time, so the Prometheus could split and still have Warp drive on all parts.

 

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Don't forget the retractable one on the saucer.

 

I'd love to have a good reason to change that point of view but stupid details like having the LCARS of the Sovereign on 3 movies say the ship have 24 decks and Picard and others contradict what we see to add 5 extra decks...and of course the shadow deck with the bottomless pit ....

I can't say I have good reason to believe this ship took function over design rather than the later. It will remain as a testement to "flashy and pretty but it doesn't hold any of my respect for function...

We can clearly see four nacelles working. The blue in the nacelles represnt escaping photons from the plasma infusion process. If the Nacelles weren't emitting a warp field like ships do at all times then the nacelles wouldn't be lit.

 

This thread is still going... WHOA.. Its been going for what now ? 5 years ?

 

Us nerds get very excitable.

 

I don't know, but I think the shadow deck with the pit is the computer core, walls-to-wall isolinear chips with the main computer somewhere above where the fight was going on. Both Enterprise D and E were supposed to have it.

But like I said, I'm not sure...

 

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We sure do. Nick.. We sure do..

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That would be a good explanation if the fight had on started on deck 29 and then....down the shoot from there....Very very bad writing and continuity.

 

I don't ever remember the condradicting decks, he just said 24 decks. And over the fact that I don't know how warp field geomatry works I'm going to assume that it works similar to aerodynamics. And the Sovy looks more aerodynamic.

 

Why would it matter if a ship is aerodynamic? It is in space! There is no resistance, just you, a vacuum, and space time.

 

You're wrong Saquist... look at old destroyers.

They had ships with a SINGLE nacelle and some with THREE. The number doesn't matter at all, but having an even number makes it SIMPLER.

Hence why ships in Trek can still warp with only one functional nacelle when one has been destroyed.

 

It's called warp field geometry, it's how you warp space time.

 

tEchnICaL dIFIculTieS

 

Not one in the Saucer but two...one below and the one which you saw, above.

 

You wouldn't remember it from Nemesis. His refrence to 29 decks is from First Contact.

Warp fields server to rap the ship in a completely different space/time than of what is our universe. Space time in this universe expands at a rate faster than the speed of light

The Warp field becomes at the "velocity threshold" an isolated universe of it's own Space/Time expanding much slower that that of the normal universe outside the warp field.

Hang with me here...The Space/Time union is a symbiotic union...what you do to one side you do to the other side like a reciprocal equation in math. The expansion of our universe translates into the litteral passage of time as a direct result of the universe's movement or..."travel"

By creating a difference in expansion or the passage of time in the warp fiel will also translate to movement. The more the difference between the two universe's expansion the faster the ship goes.

But there is a limit. Going beyond the literal science and into the fiction part Star Trek propposes that the expansion of our universe opposes the forward momentum of the universe withing the warp field and destablizes the warp field lines that maintain the barrier between the inner space and the outer temporal forces.

Now this is where the shap of the ship comes into play. The ships shape does nothing to help (with warp drive) to help the ship fly faster but a propperly shaped warp field will be far more stable.

A stable warp field is created by the "hull geometry" because shap noses or Square noses create weak warp fields. It has nothing to do with aero dynamics.

On the Sun Weak magetifields break when stressed at right angles or twisted and lead to solar flares like bellow...

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You're litteraly looking at magnetic field lines being stressed by the differing speeds of the sun's surface rotation. the plasma is thus escaping the photosphere threating to break free from the sun all to gether.

the Same thing happens to a Star Ships Warp field at warp.
This how the sun's field becomes tangled in the first place. The blue lines represent only a certain set of field lines...there are actually many more.

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Now a starships travel through space looks alot like the Earth traveling through the solar wind.

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A ship has a bow shock just like is represented in the Earth's magnetic field and it's potentialy on a Starship the strongest part of the field and the poles are the weakest part of the field.

On a starship that field is reinforced and molded by the foward hull. thus the shape is crucial to maintaining the warpfield not for merely traveling through space.

To sharp a nose like the Prometheus will end up in a field that may be easily broken because the field has to rap it's self around a sharp edge instead of a gradual circle which is why Federation starships feature circluar primary hulls to shape that field.

Voyager
Sovereign
and Galaxy are examples of hulls superior in design.

While Galaxy found just the right shape for this behemoth to fly through space Voyager found the absolute best primary hull for speed and stability. Voyager is more than 3x faster than the Galaxy and hold the record as top speed and sprinter in the Federation.

Defiant
Prometheus
Vor'cha's
Negh'var's
Birds of Prey
and War Birds have some of the worse warp field profiles.

Thus temporal resistances apply to warp fields not areodynamic forces.

None of those ships are canon and appart of what Gene Roddenberry had in mind when he gave Matt Jefferies for instructions on what the Enterprise should look like.

A single nacell ship is designed to associate the positive and negative ends of the warp field in the same nacelle thus the nacelle functions as two nacelles in one. But there are no canon examples of a single engine star ship in Trek.

The Three engine Star ship featured in the last episode of TNG was completely fabricated and the writers reveal that things such as Warp 13 and the three engine Galaxy were all wild exagerations that shouldn't be considered trek reality since this was after all Q's influence. They not that noting Picard did in one reality would effect or transfer to the other two time frames...In other words it wasn't "real"

But you're right Even numbers have already been demeaned best by Gene Roddenberry. In the Space Flight Chronology the Three engined nacelles was thought to be a great idea but that the third nacelle acted like third pole. While it generated more power the third nacelle throws off the other two.

They said only the most perfectly designed three engine ship would work and nothing less than perfect would do.

 

But it WOULD work. Thus it is possible and probably done already.

 

If sharp noses made weak warp fields... then the Intrepid class would be fubar (it's ALMOST a point) not to mention that it would make the Delta Flyer and indeed even the Nova class highly inefficient... which isn't the case.

 

Note nothing man does is perfect thus it's not possible to construct a three engine starship....

Negative Kittamaru Voyager's nose is arched not pointed.

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The Intrepid Class has found a happy medium between a field friendly arch and the tight fitting magnetic field which is what the warp field does close to the bow at high warp speeds. The field lines compact and stablized close to the hull just like the Earth's field lines do when presure is applied by the solar wind.

But if the field is too weak the fluctuations and variations between the universe out side and the universe inside will rip the ship appart. Suddenly where the field is weakest different parts of ship start to travel at different speeds. The results of a tear or own managed collaspe of the field lines would turn into what the Star Trek Space Flight Chronololgy book called...a warp comet. The ship disentergrates as parts of the ship turns into pure energy as the ship reenters normal space time at faster than light speeds.

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Prometheus is actually the pointed nose ship of the fleet. But I have a theory about the Prometheus too. This ship....which was supposed to be the faster ship in the fleet as quoted from the Mk II EMH was out runned by a Nebula class starship right from the begining. The Nebula has a top speed similar to the Galaxy 9.6. It was also caught by a flight of War Birds whose top speed is known as warp 8 and then caugh again by Two Defiant class ships and an Akira. The Akira's speed is unknown but the Defiants top speed is 8.5 So we know this is a slow ship at warp.

But if this was an experimental ship then it's likely the nose of this ship was designed this way for different reasons..perhaps like the quantum slipstream to transcend warp velocities...

As for the Nova...
Janeway says it's a science class and it's top speed is eight.
Meanwhile with the Delta Flyer...we have no idea how fast the ship is. It wasn't built for speed rather more comfort.