Star Wars vs Star Trek

I tried to make it just as fast as Trek ships...but yes it has a slow turning radius. I attempted to make it so that a fighter in the game could second gues a destroyers moment without risking a collision.

I also reduced the effective range of the antifigther weapons to about 10 kilometers for shooting moving targets.

It seems star wars fighters slip past the shields and deliver their torpedoes directly to the hull. This is the only way fighters could be effective in Star War's universe of captial ships.

 

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What about the Exelsior-II class? Someone said it was equally matched with the Defiant (Quantum torps). Is this true?

 

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This is what I ment.

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No it's not. The Excellsior II did have heavy modifications but it in the battle between the lakota and the Defiant, Lakota fired several shots first before Defiant returned fire.

In the opening blows we can see that Defiant chose only to graze Lakota's shields with it's forward guns. No direct shots on the Lakota were seen till the final exchange (on screen) When the Defiant fires a round into the secondary hull of the Lakota.

I estimate Lakota to be on the Level of a Sovereign class vessel.

 

Um, I suggest you download the one on BCfiles. Its settings are not on-canon or made up by SW fans. They set the length of the ship to the canon length, which is something BC screwed up on. I mean that while it might say the ship 500 meters long, it isn't really in-game, due to limitations of the engine. So they set it up so that in exchange for smaller ships (On a 1/5th scale ratio I think), they get better performance. Its something along those lines. The ISD that you said was "Over-Sized" wasn't really over-sized. The ships in BC are UNDER-sized from the canon lengths.

 

Buh... the Sovereign is a lot more power (in terms of defensive and offensive capability) than the Defiant. The Defiant was the testbed for much of the Sovereign's technology. That and the Sovereign has some of the most powerful phaser array's in the current federation.

 

Roumered to be Type-XII if I am not to be mistaken?

 

When I mean the Excelsior-II, I mean the Lakota class hull. Seemingly that the USS Lakota is also the only ship of this class in service.

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wtf: happened to the Ent-B!?!)

 

Listen.

Listen. Simple answer to who would win. In the Voyager episode

"Omega Directive" an 80 isoton photon torpedo said to be able to destroy a "small planet". Even if that means Pluto, its HELL strong, considering that eh Voyager episode "Scorpion Part II" states that Voyager has 32 each torpedoes, each with a 200 isoton yield. And thats a exploration ship. its not even a real "warship". Imagine the yield of a quantum torpedo from the Defiant. A true warship? A single photon torpedo can destroy a huge part of the moon! a tri-cobalt device can do even MORE damage!

Whats more, max impulse can be up to 80% speed of light. Evidenced from TOS. Any ST ship since atleast TOS can run hundreds of circles around any SW ship. Faster than SW turrets can move (I seriously doubt that any SW turrets can move at even 20% speed of light). At the same time, they only need a single shot to take out even the Death Star.

 

I don't actually recall hearing that on Voyager...

I do know that Intrepid-class starships have a complement of 50ish Photon Torpedoes... and that by the time of the "Scorpion" Voyager did have 32 remaining.

Also, Voyager was NOT an explorer vessel. Galaxy-class ships were Explorers. Voyager was a mid-range tactical vessel with explorer potential.

Don't forget that both the Warp scale and impulse scales were tweaked from Kirk's time to the 24th century. Warp 9 for Kirk's Enterprise was only in the ballpark of Warp 6-7 for Picard's.

And as for the Sovereign-Excelsior II-Defiant issue being discussed... the Lakota was definitely a special case. But the Defiant is definitely NOT as jacked as a Sovereign-class vessel. The Sovereign is better armed and armoured, and better equipped in general. As well it should be. The Sovereign is an explorer. It's designed for long-term deep space missions. Defiant-class ships are escort vessels. Designed for short range tactical missions. It's got no Holodecks, cramped crew quarters, and an ill-equipped Sickbay. But it's got more guns on it than Excelsior-class ships, and similar vessels... but Galaxy and Sovereign-class ships exceed the combat capacity of the Defiant.

As for a single Photon Torpedo taking out the Death Star... I agree entirely - and it'd be easier for a ST ship to do it than the Star Wars fighters. Photon Torpedoes have internal guidance mechanisms... it could seek out the Death Star's design flaw with little effort. ST ships are capable of extremely fine-targetting to specific enemy systems.

And I think we're all forgetting one thing about the ST universe... when the television canon of the 24th century came to a close, the Federation had tactical data on two VERY important military advances. Namely, Transphasic Torpedoes and Ablative Armour (not to be confused with the Ablative Armour on the Defiant, which is basically just more hull plating that allows the ship to take some hits without shields).

The Ablative Armour that was deployed to Voyager was able to take SEVERAL full barrages from not one, but THREE, Borg Cubes... and the Armour still did NOT fail.

And it only takes 1-2 Transphasic Torpedoes to take out a Borg Cube. One such torpedo would EASILY take out a Star Destroyer... especially when you consider the extra resiliency of a Borg Cube (Data informs us in TNG that a Cube can sustain damage to over 80% of the ship and its systems and STILL be fully functional).

 

Yeah, but the damn captain on the Lakota chose not to use the Quantum Torps? I know that would mean the destruction of the Defiant, but it had it coming anyway...

 

Yeah I know....but the Lakota is larger that the Enterprise B...much larger and it's modifications seem to imply as much too.

 

ashhh

In Q and the Grey,

Voyager is hit by 3 simultaneous Q-generated Supernova and survives with 20% shields and only minor injuries.

 

I don't understand, they are of the same hull class, Aux Impulse engines, added armour to sides of hull section, nacelle modifications.

 

Excelsior Class -- 467m
Excelsior-II Class -- 469m

 

The one problem I have with st ship is accorded to the official guide the uss enterprise E shield’s have a max output of 10 gigawatts and the phases have a max output of 10 megawatts . And the Reman warbird Scimitar combined shield output is 30 gigawatts.


Ok that side according to the ultimate star wars guide special edition the Tie fighter’s laser canons have a max out put of 1 gigawatt per blast. Turbolase between 25 to 40 gigawatts per blast. Heavy Turbolaser between 50 to 80 gigawatts per blast. Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyer 1 superlaser (2.4*1032 W), 500 Heavy Turbolaser , 500 Turbolaser batteries 600, Tie fighters, shields 507,500 terawatts. So bring in a Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyer destroy those st ships that chores to engage her us superlasers to kill all life on the plant leave. Most races will surrender after you destroy a couple of there plants. And there is always the use of death stars.

 

The Soverign has the most powerfull arrays yes...Defiant has the defensive power better than a Galaxy class vessel due to its ablative armor, omni lateral shields and compact design as well as high manuverablity...Right.

Defaints overwhelms even a Sovereign class vessel firepower.
Defiants
Firing rate and explosive cannons destroy vessl in Trek far faster than any ship in Trek history.

Dommion attack ships in three hits and birds of Prey in four hits. Quite frankly Sovereign hasn't really come close to that kind of fire power. And realize that while those phasers are extremely power on the Sovereign they penetrate but Defiants guns blow appart...ultimately more destructive.

Most people rate the Sovereign as twice or three time's as powerful than the Galaxy, yet Defiant takes out ships in a HUNDREDTH of the time the Odyssey had to destroy one of the Dominion attack ships....which it never accomplished. Defiant also has a better structure along with the ablabtive armor and the Same Quantum torpedos.

No wonder there are no other Sovereign class vessel's and the Defiant class is being massed produced as the Fleet's defender. Thus far we've seen potentialy seven!! different Defiant class vessels and only one Sovereign in all the conflict of the Dominion War.

Telling is it not?

 

That's the thing about written material on either side. We don't really know if we can trust it. There's to many contradiction exploits on either side. It can contradict a low estimate or a high estimate. Only the Films and on screen are real clues to each sides fire power..

And be warned Star Trek dialogue of firepower is hugely contradictory just with other dialgue and sometimes with common sense from epsidoe to episdoe. I would consider only what your eyes see.

 

Incorrect actually:

Pulse phasers suffer from serious power degradation over range - at 1/10th the optimal firing range of a Phaser Type XIII+ (the Sov's main phaser banks), the Pulse Phaser suffers an almost 50% power reduction. So yes, while at close range the Pulse Phaser is far more damaging, the Type XIII+ has the range advantage.

Also, the Pulse Phaser has to fire roughly forward, so intensive flight patterns are required just to bring them to bear.

Also, do remember- a Pulse Phaser is ONLY that destructive because of how a phaser blast hits - a Phaser does it's most damage at the point of impact for 2 reasons:

1) The sudden spike in energy (thermal, EM, and others)
2) The defending ships shields haven't had a chance to fully modulate to best protect against it.

Pulse phasers, thus, fire many, many, small short bursts of phaser fire each on it's own slightly different modulation. Each pulse also forms it's own "wake" of energy, impacting the ship.

Standard phasers have an advantage though - the longer the beam stays focused on a target, the more energy that can be directed through it and the better it can be modulated to have the best effect.

Also, Defiant's only use MICRO torpedos. They have no full-size torpedo tubes. That Quantum Torpedo Turret on the Ent-E would godsmack a Defiant easily. Combine that with the number of phaser type XIII+'s the Ent-E could bring to bear and fire at once, along with photon and quantum torpedo fire, and the Ent-E would be more than a match for a Defiant.

The Defiant does have two key advantages -

Speed and Agility
A horrendously overpowered warp core

Dump as much of the extra power from that warp core into the shield grid and the engines, and you have a damned fast, nearly impenetrable ship!