Star Wars vs Star Trek

You do realize that ST vessels also travel near the speed of light and have temporal field compensators for just such a purpose. the Difference is SW focus more on the story and ST tries to substitute Tech for good writing.

Excuse me, you're going to make a claim that Bioships can destroy whole starsystems with no evidence. You are truly showing your colors today, Idiot. If that was true, even partially, we would have seen or heard evidence. Claiming they didn't do it becuase they didn't need to does not work in a case like that.

 

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Okay, Idiot, reality check time. If ships in Hyperspace were undetectable to SW sensors why would you just cruise up and drop out of hypersapce last minute. Give your target the least amount of time to prepare. Why drop out a significant distance away and try to sneak up? Furthermore how would sensors so quickly pick up ships outside of the system when they dropped out of hyperspace? This evidence points to FTL sensors.

You do realize that some species of Gorns do look like Voth. There are also several other species that are similiar to Voth in appearance. As for the spatial displacement, even out of phase objects show up on graviton scanners, which ALL SW ships have.

MEMORY ALPHA IS NOT CANON.

You have no evidence that the Voth joined the Federation. Furthermore, for all you know the 29th century Federation could be a substate of the New Republic or Empire.

See above, plus realize that in all liklihood this tactic will have NO EFFECT, or else it would have been done before.

Fact one: Astromech are designed to act as droid engineers for some fighter designs. Their duties include maintenance, damage control, power allocation, and Astronavigation, among other duties.
Fact Two: Frome ANH we know that a typical heavy blaster pistol can blow torso sized chunks out of concrete walls. Yet not a single stray shot form any of the blaster bolts (many from rifles) cuased any damage.
Fact Three: Threed Hangar is home to several dozen Fighters each with their heavy weaponry and torpedoes. Not to mention their reactors. This Hangar is IN the capital city. Look at Airforce bases today, how many can you name inside a major city?
Fact Four: Artoo's home hangar is Threed hangar.
Fact Five: Many higher functioning droids, like Astromech, Medical Droids, and Research Droids are equiped with heuristic analyzers letting them learn/think on their own.


Take all these together and you come up with the fact that Threed Hangar was shielded, and that R2 could have easily turned down the weaponry.

However the Novels you quote are outweighed by movie and in turn Movie supports ICS.

 

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Just like they had an intuition about Dominion....

Actually the Empire handled several first contact situations well. And in all probability First Contact will be either Federation or Klingons. Even if it is not almost every race tries to make friends first. Only the Borg, Voth,and Hirogen don't. Voth would just run away, Borg would try (and fail) to assimiliate, and Hirogen would have fun until the Empire turned up the heat.

 

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The Emopire has 10,000 Imperial Star Destroyers alone, and one ISD is more than a match for 10 cubes.

Are you kidding me? The SW galaxy is MUCH larger than the Milky Way. SW people live in a real economy of millions of inhabited worlds, each unique it's own way. Hell they even colonize gas giants. SW has mobile Space Stations, and several living mobile worlds. They have a station that moved a planet from one end of the galaxy to the core areas.

The only thing ST has that SW doesn't is the Dyson Sphere and the beuilders of that are apparantly no more.

You are a sizzle guy aren't you? For you it is all how the steak sounds on the grill. Not how it cutts, chews, tastes and settles in your stomach. ST has impressive Tech, but all of it seems to come with a 75% breakdown rate. When you really need it 75% of the time it breaks down. Meanwhile SW has mature technologies, the only time you see anything have problems is when they have pushed their modification to the very limits (eg the Millenium Falcon, Quadranaros' Pod, Anakin's Pod.) the rest of the time everything works right the first damn time.

Well first we would need proof of distance then proof of time. then still remeber that is with a power conduit. And that the Millenium Falcon can cross a bigger Galaxy in under two hours even if you do not fine tune the course.

Okay, first of all now where have you seen the Bioships create a nova. Hell you saw them make a huge explosion on a planet. You didn't even see the planet explode. Though for sake of argument we will say it was. You have no stats on wheter the eight ships could do it again, or anything.

Youi must be joking, just becuase they penetrate Borg shields does not give them any special hurrahs. A kid with a spitwad can penetrate Borg shields until they study him and adapt. Also Voyager did not meand relations at all, they just allieviated worry that the Federation would invade their space. As long as a threat does not come after them, they could care less.

Storm troopers are cloned and Wookies have better uses that warriors, remeber they as a race are gifted mechanics. Besides this is against the whole galaxy, Stormtroopers fighting alongside Wookies, Rodians, Yuuzhan Vong, battle Droids, Gamoreans, Noghri.....

ST has no concept of ground warfare, excepting the Dominion.

Besides a much larger civilian base gives you a much larger military base, Idiot.

 

They don't use these devices becuase well to be blunt NO ONE CAN BUILD ANOTHER ONE. David took the secret of Genesis to his grave, even his mpother has no clue exactly what he did. Saavik has a clue, but even that won't help. Soren gave his data to the Duras sisters who were blown to kingdome come.

Devices like Genesis and Soren's Missile are just non factors it this. One of a kind devices that are gone, I wouldn't claim SW could use a Death Star, except they prooved they could build a second and in short order.

 

Except ST vessels can also go to Warp with no calculations and can fight in Warp, making it a moving target and since SW sensors cant detect anything past light speed, they are powerless.

If 8 bioships can destroy a planet, obviously some 500 can do some serious damage by destroying every planet in the system and maybe destroying the sun...

Obviously, SW sensors can detect Hyperspace apertures. If they notice one, they can know that there are ships approaching.
Anyway, the ships dont drop out of hyperspace that far away from the enemy...
In SW, they can detect ships LIGHT YEARS away. In SW they need to be at a close distance...

A Gorn, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a0/StarTrek-Gorn.jpg
THEY LOOK NOTHING LIKE Voth.

Memory Alpha derives all sources from Canon sources. Its just as accurate as Wikipedia, which is damned accurate.

HAHAHAHA.
Obviously it is not a substate of the New Republic since the Empire and Darth Krayt took over the SW Galaxy 140 BBY...
Then, it is not a substate of the empire since it retains the rank system of Earth and is based out of Earth and does NOT have any Sith.
Even if the Voth didnt join the Federation, its Universe vs. Universe, which indicates the sharing of technology..

The Voth used it on Voyager. If it is SW vs. ST, the Voth will share the technology with the Federation. Or Q will grant the technology to the Federation.

So? whats your point?
R2 definitely did NOT have control over the fighter yet.

The Theed hanger was NOT shielded. That would mean the shield was less than a micron off the floor/ wall.
That is impractical since the shockwave would translate into the building...
There is NO evidence that R2 DID lower the power...
And anyway, that canon quote I states said that the X-Wing had only 20 kilotons of power...

How does the movie support your power figures? It doesnt...

They stopped all trade after the first stories about the Dominion. After Quark saw the Dominion when he was with Sisko, Jake, and Nog, no Ferengi tried trading...
Plus, the Ferengi dont seem to trade with enemies of the Federation. In DS9, they have become very good allies.

Why the Klingons or Humans only?
Plus, the Borg will immedietaly assimilate anything they see. There will be THOUSANDS of Borg cubes with HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Drones in EACH ONE. in that location within no time if they decide the Empire is threat, which it is not. They will easily take over any ISD or Death Star they see since the Empire cant defend against transporters.
The Voth have 65 MILLION years of space-faring technology. They have 18 lightyears/ second transwarp drives. They will wipe the floor of ANYTHING they will see.

And Where do you come to that conclusion?
Borg Cubes have SUPERIOR TACTICAL SPEED and SW weapons DONT have the gigaton power that you state since the CANON sources say otherwise. Novels obviously are more of a canon source than the ICS books.

So? Not even 1% of them are going to be in the battle.
Plus, more people in the fight, more people to be assimilated...

How common are these worlds? Not very. Plus, Living worlds can be DEVASTATED by the Genesis device. Once it starts its job, it wont stop...
Plus, the Voth City Ship travels at 18 lightyears/ second... Thats the Entire Milky Way in 72 minutes... A WHOLE CITY IN THAT TIME.
With 65 million years of technlogy behind you, 11 km long city can have MILLIONS of people... 18 light years/ second... remember that...

So? Universe vs. Universe means they will still be alive.
ST also has the Genesis Device, meaning one-hit KOs to a planet from something the size of the Photon Torpedo. Universe vs. Universe means the creators of Genesis are still alive. Or else how can you include both Death Stars in your fight?
The Future-Federation from Voyager and Enterprise are also in the fight.
Plus. Soran is in the fight, with anybody else...

Well, ST engineers are infinetely superior to SW engineers...

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But, nobody ever gets harmed from these problems...

Two hours?
Last I checked, the trip from Tatooine to Alderaan was less than half the distance of the Galaxy. Plus, it took SEVERAL hours, if not days...

"You have no stats on wheter the eight ships could do it again, or anything."
You have NO evidence the Death Star can shoot more than once or twice...
What was special about the bioship event that suggests it cant be duplicated? Species 8472 has many more, obviously...

No. Species 8472 gave Voyager its regards and left them in peace. That means that they have no animosity and wont mind working together.
In the matters of Universe vs. Universe, EVERYONE WILL WORK TOGETHER.
Even SWORN enemies...

How ignorant are you? After the Clone Wars, the Empire stopped cloning after Kamino rebelled. They started recruiting people. How else will Biggs join the academy? How else will Kyle Katarn join the Imperials? Clones wont be talking about new land speeders in ANH...

The Borg are MUCH better at ground warfare than anything else... Even what the Empire can throw at us.
Plus, ST can transport any ground troops since they have NO EXPERIENCE in jamming transporter signatures...

No it doesnt. If 100% of your base is military, like the Borg, Hirogen, Klingons, then you obviously have a bigger and better trained military base.

SO? It is Empire vs. Empire...
Soran and David still live.
If you are right, the New Republic CANT build another Death Star. All your fights will be New Republic vs. Trek...
If you are going to include things that are NOT the latest in the storyline, so can we....

 

Actually as ST:TMP mentioned and as the Picard maneuver implies courses and calculations are indeed needed.

And I already proved the Sensors in SW are FTL. Keep Up

We have no proof they could affect something as large as a a Star, and even if they could it would take far more than 50.

Yes you said it SW they can detect ships Light years away, but when you are travelling hundreds of light years a second that range may only be 100 light years.

Not all Gorn look like that, their are three main species after all.

OMG did you just say Wikipedia is damned accurate. Oh, crap, I had no clue you were tat guillable. And sorry but Memory Alpha is much like Wikipedia, any idiot can enter in data, so take with grain of salt.

Hey, that is just one Timeline, moron, besides that storyline isn't done and is about 1000 years in the past from us, let alone ST.

Nope and Nope, if they are too xenophobic to give a ride home, then they are too xenophobic to help. Also they used a Transporter on the Voyager. And Q is not going to interfere in an obviously human affair, he didn't help during the Dominion War. I mean at least SW has evidence of the New Republic and Empire working together.

Proof? Oh right none. You are assuming Artoo did not have power control just becuase the Autopilot was switched on by Anakin just before he shot.

It obviously was shielded by evidence given, occam's razor.

Really, so now you understand shields you claim don't exist?

Really, there isn't, there is enough factlets to say he could easily have lowered the power and reasons for why he did it. While not direct information, it's enough for a rational person to understand what happened. Which explains why you are clueless.

Which canon quote? Book, author, page number. Then you have to match it up to movies and then go "Oh shit, the Fireball scene in ANH is WAY more than 20 kilotons."

ESB Asteroid Destruction. AOTC shattering asteroids. Two examples.

Ferengi trade with everyone, A-hole, Borg, Voth, and Hirogen excluded. Some Ferengi stopped trading with the Dominion. Don't think for a second that they all did.

They only sent one to Earth both times and failed miserably despite the Federation being the TOP OF THE LIST for wanted assimilations. Assuming they weill send hundred of cubes is just stupidity in action. Plus they may get people, but SW tech is thousands of years more advanced. The borg trying to assimilate a Heavy Turbolaser would be like a caveman trying tio build a state of the art Alienware Laptop.

As for transporters, any type of shield stops transporters, quit being an idiot.

It took 18 months for the Cube to hit earth strategically. Borg also just sit still in combat, as proven by the battles we have seen. They'll be easy targets for the 12.5 gigatons laser of the ISD. BTW you may thing canon disputes it, but until you prove ti, your opinion means less than nothing.

well 1 Quadrillion to fight is good. and there is no way the Borg will survive to even try assimiliation

We did not see a single Voth weapon. Plus they would have to build the conduits, slowly taking years. Meanwhile City size ships are common. The Ithorians have hundreds of them.

No it doesn't, but if you want that it means we kget all the power players form SW history.

Oh, yeah, device hit shields and in so doing is vaporized. Yep one hit TKO.

Hey, even after the designer of the Death Star quit making plans for them another one could be easily built. Not so with Genesis device. Also note that David would NEVER build a Genesis device as a weapon.

Soren would do as Soren does and try to get to the Nexus, he only invented the device to get to it. Empire would offer his a Imperial shuttle in excahnge for the device and thus we have a winner. If you want the people you hav e to stick with how they have been proven to act.

BS,

Yeah, took several hours becuase Han hastily plotted the course and was avouiding imperial questions. Travelling twice Hyperspeed would raise eyebrows, dumbass.

Actually the Death Star was priming to destroy it's third planet at Yavin. At eEndor it fired three times as well and easily capable of more.

What was specially is they seemed to have a special capacitor ship that acted as focus and the fact that the other ships were beaming energy to the one. Hell for all we know this could have been a Species 8472 version of the Main Deflector attack that the Enterprise D tried once and never again. it might have been one shot deal. We have no evidence of further assualts like that or any dialog intimating that it could be done again.

Actually they let Voyager go becuase they posed no further threat. I watched the episode, three times. Species 8472 basically decided to stay in fluidic space aka Their own universe.

CLones are still used A-hole, read the Thrawn Trilogy again. yes they recruit still, but theire are still a shit load of clones.

Are you kidding me, The Borg practice the wave and that is it. SW troope will annihilate them. Between heavy repeating blaster, fragt luanchers, thermal detonators, freeze grenades and a plethora of energy and physcial weapon SW has the battle fired covered.

As for blocking transporters, well since the only time it will come up is when SW is on defensive. Transporters do not work through shields. Or in areas of heavy EM interference.

No, you have abloated and inefficent military. Klingons are great individually, but their ships are shite and the troops are highly unorganized. Borg are horribly unimaginative and walk like Zombies. Hiroggen are hunters, but would quickly find that the prey they choose are well beyond their capabilities. No Hirogen would be a match for even a padawan.

 

Much less time than a hyperspce routs

 

Can we get an admin in here to ban this moron? He keeps implying lower cannon > movies for star wars and that things that have been proven (both on screen and in books) don't work for star trek...

I call bullshit- Scott is a bot that only makes (poorly developed) counter arguments.

 

Going back to this post Scott:

How do we know that this doesn't simply mean the defensive technology is very strong as well? You're 400xton blast theory is BS as it was a created being that could do, well, basicly whatever it pleased. We know in Wars the reason ships are so susceptible to enemy fire is because their shields are primitive at best (angular deflection grids) and that they aren't always:

A) Raised
B) Pointed the right direction
C) Effective even WHEN they are impacted

In trek, the shields almost ALWAYS bear the brunt of the impact except for a few cases where the shield harmonics frequency was known (the Sisters) or the phased polaron weapons (which was eventually defended against)

In wars, often, it only takes one or two hits from a TIE fighter to down an X-wing... so you are saying the Rebels most POWERFUL fighter's defenses are so weak that the most BASIC fighter from the Empire can take it out? Weird...

 

For short trips, yes, though Hyperspace does not needed ot be plotted for anything in LOS. Just get your sensor fix and go.

In that whole spiel where the Fleet needed to sneak up on the Hoth base. Not to mention if the Hoth base could detect the ships outside of the sytem the sensors MUST be FTL capable.

Well, I was just pointing out that there was no way 50 bioships could harm a star.

Hey, you have to remember that they have to dodge and weave in Hyperspace. They have to avoid all gravity wells. You don't think it is Straight line like in Trek do you. Hell, just travelling a quater of the galaxy they may have to double back on themselves three or four times for a safe course.

What evidence do you have that all Gorn look the same. Not all people look alike and hell look at what happened to the Klingons.

OMG that has got to be the stupidest thing ever said. No one would ever calim Wikipedia is more Accurate than Encyclopedia Brittanica. Hell even the admins of Wikipedia admit that they can't watch everything.

Well it is one timeline, not neccesarily the canon was as future events form the episode could have changed it. One might also note that Enterprise is not a part of the main timeline either.

Actually Q by definition would not help. It is a affair among the lesser races and thus none of their concern. In fact knowing what we know about Q they would be responsible for the conflict.

As for the Empire, yes, the Empire that survived alongside the NR was infinitely more petty and hostil for several decades.

Are you stupid? A cyclic proof is like saying the Sky is Blue becuase it reflect the ocean and the ocean is blue becuase it reflects the sky.

My argument is tghat Artoo had the capability to lower the the power to the weapons, had reason to, and the effect matches. Lucas didn't believe is wasting viewers time by showing every single detail. He was too interested in putting together a good action scene.

In ANH hope Han's Heavy blaster pistol blew out torso sized chucnks from the concrete hangar walls in Mos Eisley. In TPM neither sides blaster (whether heavy pistol or rifles) did any damage to structual elements. Now either Blaster went through an incredible upgrade (unlikely as the Model Han carried was on the market for fifty years) or the Threed Hangar was shielded.

That's the proof

Says the man who thinks Wikipedia is superior to Encyclopedia Britannica. We Didn't se shock waves in the ground from Gunagan shields, yest we know they work.

In ANH hope the 100 meter wide burning electrically charged Fireball that Lukke turnes a small section of Death Star plating into with just a few shots from the main lasers of the X-wing.

But movie trumps that as seen above, so obviousbly it is false. Already covered this

First we can see that the ones Fett destroyed were solid. Same with the Avenger in ESB

Second we do know the ones that Star Trek couldn't destroy were different form appearance. Before you get all happy. The ones in ST had all the characteriostic of the less dense and more fragile asteroids, while SW had all the appearances of the ultra dense heavy metals asteroids.

Oh, so nobody goes against the Nagus, BS on that count their culture revolves around back door deals to gain power.

Really?

They have a safe reliable technology that allows them to travel across the galaxy with ease. This technology is so common that it much like owning a car today.

They have a medical system so advanced that a person can recovedr form extreme over exposure and sever Frostbite, not to mention bruised ribs in mere hours. They have prosthetics that look, feel , and seem like normal flesh. They have advanced AI intelligences on a massive scale. They have energy weaponry capable of 12.5 gigatons. They have advanced lifesupport, able to keep a city planet functioning. They have true artificial gravity. advanced antigravity. And entire map of the galaxy can fit in the palm of your hand. They have instantaneous communication from one end of the galaxy to the other....

the Federation is a genuine threat and they have only sent 2 ships.

Yeah right, that is what the Borg would say right be assimilating them.

Bullshit and Bullshit. SW shields are Superior to ST shields. Phasers and Transporters wouldn't be an issue at all. Hell Quantum Torpedoes would be just expensive fireworks.

First of all We have NEVER seen thousands of cubes at once. Even if we did. they could intercept a ship. They could try for a planet but the only planet worth trying for would be a COre world, which would have fun shooting ships with ground based ion cannons and Heavy turbolaser as their shields repelled all borg attempts to penetrate.

Actually the Borg could try. There are several races that would mess up the Borg just by being assimiliated. However in the End the Borg would just a be a footnote in history.

You have no proof of this whatsoever. The borg need conduits, cleverly enough called Transwarp conduits. The conduit is an integral part of the transwarp travel.

Well, dead is not an obstacle in SW. However we never saw the Dyson sphere builders, they were NEVER alive during canon periods of ST. So they are out of it. Canon for ST starts with the pilot and ends with Nemesis and if you are a purist it does not include Enterprise as it conflicts with each and every other series. Canon for SW starts at the earliest book, and goes until the last novels and includes some figures that appeared in novels.

No, I said any shield stops Transpoerters or phasers, hell radiations clouds can do that. SW shields are different form ST shields in several ways.

A) SW shields have no frequency. They are either up or down, not flickering
B) SW weapons can fire out through SW shields.
D) SW shields do not use Harmonics.
D) SW shields only extend at best a meter form the hull, excepting the Deathstar.
E) SW shields have a second layer ofd shielding called particle shielding that run microns from the surface or in the surface of the hull.

Actuallly the NR does have complete plans for Death Star 1, II, and the technical data for III.

Well only two total genesis devices were built as a test pair. Their have been no others, David marcus was the only person to make it work. No one else has succeeded despite attempts.

Which would take millions of years and possibly unfruitful David would not allow the device to be taken by any of those groups. If he wouldn't give it to Kahn....

Actually Jedi and Sith can work together. As Mara Jade and her Hubby. and don't argue she was never sith, she was close enough. Also the Jedi unwittingly worked for Lord Sidious for quite some time. Not to mention Kyp Durron and other darksiders that have worked with Luke.

Besides I wasn't saying you can't involve everyone but they would have to behave an normal. Romulans looking for the best deal, klingons shortsightedness, Q indifference, Voth hiding as they always do, Hirogen preying on the strongest, Empire using Blitzkrieg and super weapons, Rebels using adpative strategies, Borg just looking to assimiliate.

The ST galaxy may try to work together but they are prone to back stabbing, disinterest and outright treachery. They wall fight SW but they would still fight each other. SW has at least shown they can live in peace and work togegther without tricks and traps.

Actually Chewie was never trained in droid repair and wasn't using proper tools so He was doing a damn fine job. As for the Millenium, Han had that all wired weird anyway. Ackbar was a brilliant Engineer, as was Wedge. Luke blew them both away and made his dad liook like a tinker.

Are you stupid? He obviously is going much faster than that just by the trip to Alderaan. Of course in your narrow minded world there is no such thing as jargon. .5 past light meant that his hyperdrive cut noirmal transit time in half.

Okay, numbnuts.
Actually the Deathstars main gun was fired for the Second time on Alderaan. The first was on a planetoid. Alderaan was considered a full test becuase it had shields. As for the second Death Star, the main scroll said it was more powerful. That is all we need to know.

No, universe vs Unviverse means they will fight SW if SW threatens them. Everything still acts as it always would, meaning the Borg would try to ssimilate their allies, the Voth will just hide unless cornered, Species 8472 will just be happy the borg are gone. this battle does not cahnge attitudes, just dictate they fight SW in the way they would fight othe enemies.

Yes, but the Spaarti cylinders were in a base controlled by Palapatine, and he used them, often.

How are borg transporters going to work through tow layers of shields that are more powerful than any they encountered before, and have no weaknesses.

ST has no proof that their Transporters work through any sort of high energy field. In fact a simple Ion storm messes up theitr transporters, as does dense materials and so on. Also you would have to prove that phaser can penetrate SW shields, the base assumption is they can't just blithely penetrate.

 

http://news.com.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html
Have fun with that.

 

This would seem to indicate that Wikipedia has 132% the error rate that Encyclopedia Brittanica has. Of course the study only used Wikipedia approved finished articles and not ones that are unedited. So in no ways is Wikipedia superior to Encyclopedia Britannica, nor is it even in the same league. I mean come on, that is 32% more errors on the finished articles.

 

I like how scott completely ignores arguments he cannot disprove...

Scott, the Q would help. Why? It is UNIVERSE vs UNIVERSE... or do you want to change the rules again?

The voth do not need conduits, just like the Borg Interceptors don't. The larger borg ships need them because of the power required...

An 8472 Frigate with a dozen Battleships behind it could EASILY detonate a star- the extra plasmatic energy would push the star to SuperNova.

Wars shields either MUST have harmonics or MUST NOT cover the apatures of the weapons. In Trek they can fire through the shields by matching their own harmonics (hence why Tactical has the shield control- it has to rematch the weapons as well) and torpedos / shuttles use the same frequency on their shields, thus letting them pass. In wars, with no harmonics, they would have to leave gaps for the weapons fire to exit, or leave the barrels outside the shields, or whatever. However, they would be UNABLE to fire without harming their own shields.

As for the weapon powers- how do you know the Armor on the Death Star isn't just weak? Maybe they thought the shields would be sufficient, thus negating the need for armor. That would explain the discrepancy between other parts of the movies (like the Naboo fighter scene and in the novels) and the Death Star scene.

The thing is, we get NO indication of what the armor on the death star is. Period.

Where as in Trek for things like the Planet Eater we learn it is superdense Neutronium.

 

I'd like to mention the fact that the borg have worked with humans in TNG and if the borg were so determined, they'd never stop coming ..ever.

 

yee now they are even fighting over the fact if r2d2 did or did not alter the power of the lazers.

I must agree with scott on the fact that we should debate with what we know about a race and know how they react. Not on how the could react or might react.

And yes scott if you want to use the persons in the history of SW they can use those in ST so they can use the genesis device.
I still believe SW would win but fair is fair.

 

:wtf: :booo:

Dude if you want ST to win why all the fuss then ?

 

Exactly.
Just because R2 can alter power of lasers doesnt mean he did.

 

Transwarp is different than Warp.
Warp 10 is max on basic warp.
Transwarp uses different principles than warp.
You cant measure past Warp 10. Warp has a limit. That limit is 10.
Transwarp though can go 18 lightyears/ second...