Star Wars vs Star Trek

Kay, while I admit I don't care much for Wars, I must state that this doesn't decanonize it.

 

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I'm not saying it does - however, in any instance where the movies/shows contradict what the ICS says, the movies/shows overrule the ICS.

 

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However you have yet to show any incidence where the movie does decanonize the ICS.

To do so you would have to show:

A Heavy Turbolaser failing to destroy something that 200 gigatons would destroy. You cannot find in any movie an example of that.

 

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canon is SW is divided in a five. only 3 are to be used. G canon being the movies and any note from Lucas, T-canon, the Clone Wars and any tv series, and C canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. there is also s canon, which i don't use and non canon.
only G,T and C canon are used in this debate.

 

you have not showed any contradiction with the movies. SHOW ME ONE. ONE.
that's all i ask. until you prove that, the ICS is acceptable evidence, like it or not.

any way, i got far from my intention. i only wanted to give Apocalypse2001 a site with the schematics. nothing more. then you jump in yelling its out of context. WTF?

 

I would hardly say what I posted constitutes yelling. It was simply clarifying that you stick to the ICS like gospel even when it has been disproven.

I need not post any contradictions - this has already been done time and time again, by saquist, myself, and at least a half dozen others.

Given your penchant for ignoring this evidence, backed by mathematical, photographic, and dialogue proofs, I really don't see the point in arguing with you any longer - those that are willing to accept simple logic will do so, and in doing so they will realize that, while the ICS is a very pretty picture book with awesome "fluff", it's just that - a picture book with fluff, not to be taken seriously.

If you really want to know why nobody with an ounce of common sense takes the ICS seriously:
Read This

Notable information - the movie was not even FINISHED when the ICS came out...

So, you can see, a vast majority of his "figures" are based on concept art and script, not the movie itself.

(Incidentally, Wayne Poe has provided a quote which helps to further establish the facts in the interview:

""People might wonder about whether or not interviews are official. Every word I wrote in the interview had to be approved by Lucy Wilson before TFN could post anything." ---Curtis Saxton")

One perfect example of why his numbers are craptastic:

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Now, again, those shots DRAINED the energy packs of the weapon as per the script, what we see, and the novelization:

Oh, but wait, people claim "the packs were still charging"... okay... we have an answer to that:

So, either these things take around an hour and a half to charge enough for ONE full power shot, or there is some MAJOR wankage going on here.

Funny enough, he even went over your asteroid destruction scene:

See Fett Smack an Asteroid

So, in short, right there, we have a ship who's claimed firepower is VASTLY in excess of what we EVER actually see on screen.

And the list goes on and on... but I await your "BUT BUT BUT"s to see if it's even worth continuing to list them.

To ice this cake:

 

By the way:

If you want to get a glimpse into the, hm, mental stability of some of the Pro-Wars debaters at StarDestroyer.net...

Just Read This

It is quite disturbing... but I'll post it here for you to see:

Yes... they are that crazy.

 

So wow even Star War wookies go crazy on each other well that sucks oh well while the wookies beat each other up, we trekkies are going to go get some popcorn and discuss the fundimentals about why no one in the SW universe can shoot straight and ST can with better weapons.

 

:bugeye: ...... :facepalm: here they go again. Repetition ad nauseum...

 

It's all they have to stand on TBH... they know they can't refute the proof, so they simply try to ignore and avoid it...

 

as if the commetns about the possible non-canon nature of the ICS isn't repeated ad nauseum. You cannot have your cake and eat mine as well.

 

well, I don't know if they are "ny repeated ad nauseum"... they are repeated, however, every time the ICS comes up because, sadly for you, it's the truth.

And nobody wants "your cae", whatever that is

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L2 Type plzkthnx... you don't have an excuse for your consistent poor spelling... or do you :m:

It would explain a lot...

 

Listen, It is fine to bring up the ability for the ICS to be disproven, WHEN you are disproving it. To do otherwise is not a valid debate tactic. Spreading doubt over and established fact without evidence showing why there should be doubt is a dirty tactic. Only the truly desperate would use it.

 

Truth be told, only the desperate and/or gullible cling to a book riddled with poor math, fallacious jumps of logic, and general discredited labeling. For gods sakes man, it is a book intended for children.

 

Aye, generally universes like Stargate and Warhammer 40,000 are usually believed to be in the gigaton range, and even then there are arguments against that. Star Wars and Star Trek firepower is just all over the place, and people debate for numbers multiple orders of magnitudes apart.

Edit: Are you the Kittamaru from Spacebattles?

 

Kit, i've read all of those, thanks for the lecture.
but it's not proof that the ICS is NOT canon. again you fail.

 

its canon still, therefor i can take it as a gospel. and again, it is not disproven. only by you trekkies.

haha, funny, but no. go ahead with the delusion. its not been disproven. its just a trekkie delusion.

i take everything you call "proof" seriously. the ICS is a book that stands against delusional people who dare talk to me like that when they denied every shred of proof i provided.

 

nice fiction. what the fuck is this supposed to fucking prove?

 

aha, well let's see...ITS A MOVIE, and they mysteriously can't shot only in the main characters...

that is up to debate. in ST, the main characters ALWAYS get shoot when in battle...mostly. i can ask why Klingons rule a vast empire when they throw down their phasers and go ahead with swords and that fancy weapon...what's it called? any way, its fiction. the stormtroopers are actually good shooters. ask a weapon specialist that went to war how hard it is to shoot a target while being shoot at by them.

 

wow, spoke the man who denied every piece of proof that i and the other SW fans provided, with back up. better shut up about that. don't wanna look more pathetic that already are.