Star Wars vs Star Trek

Actually, ricrery, the original topic that was derailed/red herringed away from was the comparison of ST vs SW that the thread was originally about. All you've done is post a couple bare assertion fallacies and claimed that a minimum-yield estimate from a situation where maximum or even standard yield makes no sense is the maximum firepower figure (and insisting on a very low figure despite possible indications that your low figure is very low), and then continually shift to other topics.


EDIT: Kittamaru, et al: Don't adopt troll/flame-bait tactics. That's piss-poor debating style and utter failure at science. Stick to the hard data, the facts, and logical interpretation and extrapolation of that data. Anything else is just a red herring or worse.

 

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Yes, like we could even convert each other. Who the hell cares about this debate?

Um, let's see, to vaporize the oceans and crust would require 9 exatons. To do this in an hour, the 36 ships combined would have to be doing 2.5 petatons per second, with individual ships doing 69.4 teratons, and each individual torpedo doing 5.8 teratons. But you, insisted that "this cannot be true, they probably aren't DET weapons because the Shiva is a low megaton nuke even though its range is hundreds of thousands of kilometers". The people here tend to ignore numbers and just pick what universe they want to win.

You know what? Let's settle this once and for all. The Enterprise E vs the Scimitar. I would also like to thank Rama for this picture.

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It took thirty seconds the Enterprise E to hit the Scimitar. But let's say it moved at 53 m/s at the end.

Lower Limit: (500,000 more tons than a Galaxy Class) 1.7 kilotons of KE
Mid Limit: (1,000,000) 1.8 kilotons of KE
Upper Limit: (5,500,000) 3.3 kilotons of KE

The Imperial Star Destroyer from RotJ was completely reduced to dust by the heavy turbolaser which, regardless if it hit the reactor or not, would generate low gigatons at least.

 

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Uhm... wrong on multiple accounts:

1) Subspace fields (eg, mass lightening fields) would GREATLY reduce the effective mass impacting the ships.

2) You forget how acceleration works. You are taking the distance and dividing by time - that works fine at a constant speed, but not for a constant acceleration.

3) Technically, the Sovereign class is lighter than the Galaxy class.

4) We don't know why the E-E was able to pull that stunt off - the ONLY thing I can think of is Shinzon lowered his shields expecting Picard to surrender *shrugs* Other than that, the E-E should NOT have been able to do that, so this example is a bad one none the less.

And you say the HTL is, regardless, low-gigatons at least - proof of this?

 

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Meaning it's less.

Fine, let's say when it hit the Scimitar, it was moving at 1 km/s and weighed at 4,000,000 tons, the yield would be 470 kilotons.

So is a small fighter chopping a BoP in half by flying through it? Megawatt shrapnel shaking up a ship. Anything that makes Star Trek ships look fragile?

Reducing the Star Destroyer to dust.

 

Funny... That ISD can faintly be seen behind the explosion flare just before the camera cuts away... I'll dig the screenshots up after camp; I can't find them right now, and I need to leave.

 

Way to take things way out of context -

My point is, this entire scenario should not have happened - we don't know why it happened. We have multiple instances of shields deflecting parts of ships, shields deflecting whole ships, and even of two shielded ships "rubbing" together and their shields bouncing off one another. All in all, this entire scenario is one big outlier, and thus should, honestly, be disregarded. As I said, the only plausible explanation is that the Scimitar had her shields down (in which case, a concentrated phaser strike could have done the trick, so that's really not plausible either).

Either that, or Romulan shields let physical objects pass straight through them (which makes no sense either).

 

They still would have never happened if megaton KE would only scratch the paint.

Yet it did. It doesn't matter if the writers didn't care, but they penetrated through the hull and caused lots of damage. It doesn't matter if they could used phasers, they didn't, and it doesn't matter if the shields allowed projectiles to pass, because it happened. It can't be an outlier because fighters can cut through BoP.

 

Besides all of this, Dr. Evil vs Zim.

 

Which Zim? Sergeant Charles Zim from Starship Troopers?

 

Zim from Invader Zim? SST can go to hell and die.

 

*leans ver to Shogun and whispers* "He's secretly a bug."

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Or this guy.

 

Time to do our part for the Federation huh?

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( Did you get the reference to the movie?)

 

And remember, service grants citezenship.

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You go to hell, you go to hell and you die!

Mine was obvious.

 

Join up to the Mobile Infantry

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See new planets, drop on them, tour them, meet new people, then kill them

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Bah, you are a shadow in comparison to the might of the Imperial Guard!

 

OO-AH! Take that.

We are getting very off topic.

 

Yeah lol.

Anyways, which Imperial Guard? Star Wars?

 

I'm a guy who has a living puppet as a friend.

This one?