Spiritual Evolution

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by TruthSeeker, Apr 9, 2002.

  1. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    " THE MILITANT SAYS:
    > I am on a Divine mission.
    > All must receive my faith or
    > die at my hand. The Evil One
    > seeks to destroy me. I must
    > destroy his followers first.
    > My enemies die in damnation.
    > My martyrdom earns
    > my salvation.
    >
    > THE RADICAL SAYS:
    > I am on a Divine mission.
    > All must receive my faith
    > or die in damnation.
    > The Evil One seeks to
    > destroy me. I must silence
    > his followers first.
    > My fanaticism assures my salvation.
    >
    > THE FUNDAMENTALIST SAYS:
    > I am on a Divine mission.
    > All must receive my faith or
    > die in damnation.
    > The Evil One seeks to
    > destroy me. I must
    > convert his followers.
    >
    > THE ORTHODOX SAYS:
    > We are on a Divine mission.
    > All must receive our faith or
    > die in damnation. The Evil
    > One seeks to destroy us.
    > We must convert his followers.
    >
    > THE COMMUNICANT SAYS:
    > We are on a Divine mission.
    > All must receive our faith or
    > die in damnation. The Evil
    > One seeks to destroy us.
    > We must love his followers
    > and bring them into our fold.
    >
    > THE ECUMENICAL SAYS:
    > We are on a Divine mission.
    > We must combine our faiths
    > into one faith in order to bring
    > all others into The LIght.
    > We must resist the evil within
    > ourselves. We must love all others.
    >
    > THE SPIRITIST SAYS:
    > We are Divine.
    > All are Divine.
    > We are all one in our
    > Divinity.
    >
    > THE MYSTIC SAYS:
    > You Are.
    > We Are.
    > I AM.
    > --
    > Bruce Stephen Holms "

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  3. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Spiritual Evolution.

    1. In the beginning nothing was known and men lived in confusion.

    2. Curiosity led to many questions but few answers.

    3. Men invented answers and religious superstitions were born.

    4. Religion takes political power in the world.

    5. Life based on the falsehoods of religion and spirituality created confusion, conflicts, pain and suffering.

    6. Men created science.

    7. Science begins to answer the original questions.

    8. The falseness of religion contends with the truths of science.

    9. The world largely rejects religion as a primary political force.

    10. Religious extremists lash out with enormous acts of violence in a desperate attempt to hold onto religious political power.

    11. The death throes of religion begins.

    12. Technology, science, and improved education gradually replace religious superstition.

    13. Science provides credible answers to basic questions of the origins of life and the universe.

    14. Religious superstitions lose all credibility as a method for answering any meaningful questions.

    15. Humans evolve through science and technology into religious and spiritually free enlightened beings.

    Added via EDIT.

    16. Without the delusion of death being temporary, life is finally seen as precious and priceless resulting in a permanent end to all wars and violence.

    Cris
     
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  5. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Amen to that, Cris!
     
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  7. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Cris ...

    "Humans evolve through science and technology into
    religious and spiritually free enlightened beings."


    You forgot '16'

    Humans who, through the wonders of science and technolgy, now
    kill each other by the millions without guilt or fear of retribution in
    an afterlife.

    Ain't evolution wonderful???????

    Take care

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  8. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    No offense, but;

    You forgot 15, Chagur.

    My bold.

    Silly Chagur, you aren't seriously reviving the slur that athiests are incapable of ethical action, are you?
     
  9. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    hahaha...

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    That's a great joke! You should put it into the jokes thread!!!

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    I totally agree with Chagur!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    How if you totally reject Religion!!!! :bugeye:
    I really wasn't expecting that from you, Cris...

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  10. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Cris,

    Religion and Spirituality are the things that make us free enlightned beings...

    But our present condition is....

    Like Chagur said...

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    If you are WILLING to help that last thing you wrote to happen (Freedom and enlightened beings) I'm totally with you!!!!

    I'll give you an advice to help that happen.
    Love and teach people to Love.
    Love completly unconditionally. That's the way to attain freedom.

    Science won't give you Wisdom.
    Love will.

    Love IS Wisdom.

    Love,
    Nelson
     
  11. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    Have you met Ewen McGregor from Moulin Rouge yet?
     
  12. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Nelson, Nelson, Nelson, read up on your history.

    Inquisitions, Crusades, Jihads.....free and enlightened? Ya-huh. Have you been smoking somthing I should know about?

    So tell me, how many people have been killed in the name of athiesm?

    It's called reason, my dear. The fusion of reason, emotion and logic.

    Tyler: I am probably the only person in the Western Hemisphere who hasn't seen that movie - so I don't get the reference. The man who falls for Nicole Kidman's character?
     
  13. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Ok,

    I've added point 16 -

    16. Without the delusion of death being temporary, life is finally seen as precious and priceless resulting in a permanent end to all wars and violence.

    Cris
     
  14. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    truthseeker,

    Because religion is totally based on ignorance and fantasy, and those aspects lead you directly to permanent death.

    Cris
     
  15. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    chagur,

    You dummy, it is the religious fanatics who would do that, because they believe death is the way to paradise.

    Why would anyone who understands that death is an end to existence want to risk ending their lives? Some people now might actually fear judgment but most try to avoid death in the first place. If they are further convinced that death is a final end they will take extra effort to avoid death, and that means working very hard to prevent wars and violence.

    Cris
     
  16. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    truthseeker,

    Total BS. These are the tools of tyranny and brainwashing used by religious institutions. Your religious fantasies are the result of your intellectual weakness to recognize your own indoctrination. You have willingly sacrificed your freedom to think by accepting a baseless set of ancient fictional mythologies as if they were true.

    In short you have chosen to base your life on fairy stories rather than face harsh reality. You are imprisoned in a religious dream world, and the saddest part is that you don’t yet know you are trapped – and that indicates the true evil of religion especially Christianity.

    Cris
     
  17. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    truthseeker,

    So you agree at last that religion is based on fear of retribution in an afterlife. Now perhaps you will abandon your idiotic and puerile love crap.

    Cris
     
  18. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    truthseeker,

    More childish and ignorant BS.

    Cris
     
  19. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Xev,

    I've already talked about that. Those things weren't caused by real religious people, but people that only wanted power and money... completly different then religion...

    Cris,

    Look above...
    I haven't sacrificed my freedom... you did...
    I'm on my way for freedom... you each day is more addicted to material things. You are addicted to money, power, proudness, reason... you are addicted to all those things the capitalism use to brainwash your head and make you forget the problems THEY caused... or YOU caused too...
    You live in a world of complete illusion, believing in the media. The government put whatever it wants there to make your mind up and you go pretty easily...

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    I'm in the middle of Wisdom...
    You are in the middle of garbage...

    I've never agreed such thing...

    Honestly... who is being childish and ignorant... :bugeye:

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    Nelson
     
  20. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Nelson:

    THOSE THINGS WERE JUSTIFIED BY RELIGION!

    You can't tell me that Mohammed Atta, who crashed a plane into the WTC, you can't tell me he wanted money or power. HE DIED! He knew he would die!

    Those Palestinian suicide bombers, they know they will die! It is only the hope of somthing better that motivates them!

    The Catholic Church didn't burn Giordano Bruno because he had money! Usama bin Ladin doesn't attack my country because he wants money! They don't want MONEY or POWER they want ETERNAL LIFE!

    You can tell that about Cris from his posts? Or do you two know each other?

    Cris: There is a delicious irony in my advice to you, as it is not my nature to be 'nice' - but - be gentle.
     
  21. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Xev,

    Look to the things he write... it's very typical...

    Osama Bin Laden wants power. It's nothing to do with Religion. The Qu'rain has about 3 Jihads. Those are the only "violent" ones, the only ones that can mistaken by violent. ALL the others are NOT violent...

    He is using those verses for his own well...

    Same as old "Christians" and those kind of guys... It's pretty depressing...

    Love,
    Nelson
     
  22. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Xev,

    Nah I don’t know Nelson, but I do enjoy pulling his chain, and I think he knows that.

    Nelson,

    And as Xev says –

    And your response –

    You appear to have stereotyped me according some other fantasy you have. You really have no idea what I’m like.

    I don’t know who you are describing or how you created that fiction from my posts, but you clearly have no idea of what I am like. You are just guessing because that is how you perceive non-believers, or have been indoctrinated into how to perceive non-believers, right?

    I believe the media? Where did you get that idea?

    I believe the government? You must be joking.

    Are you confusing my support for the philosophy of materialism with a desire to own material possessions?

    Money? Power? Pride? What and where did you get all these ideas?

    Speak up. I’d like to see how you constructed this fantasy.

    Cris
     
  23. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    truthseeker,

    The stated aims of Islam is to spread Islam to the entire world. Osama is continuing the fight that started 1400 years ago when Christianity attempted to destroy Islam.

    Osama is immensely wealthy and could have had all the power anyone could imagine just through his incredibly rich family.

    Everything Osama does is ENTIRELY due to religion. His aim is perfectly aligned with the aims of Islam – to convert the world to Islam.

    Cris
     

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