Spanking children, a parent's right ?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Cazzo, Aug 20, 2008.

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When it comes to parents spanking their kids butts :

  1. The UN should be able to criminalize spanking for ALL parents everywhere.

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  2. Only individual states or countries should criminalize spanking if they want.

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  3. Parents should be allowed to spank their own children, it's their buisness alone.

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  4. Other.

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  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    shorty do you know what i did the second i was strong enough?
    I said NO, hit me again and i will hit you back to my parents.

    I ended up having to do it a few times to but you know something?
    after a while they stopped

    oh and from your link:

    GREAT scientific evidence shorty, no qualitive or quantive reasurch just "god said so"
     
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  3. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    further from your link:

    "Most people today think that there is something wrong with spanking. They have been literally "brainwashed" by modern physiology, which claims that spanking is evil, and that children are inherently good. Both of these ideas of course are lies. Children are ruined by the fall of Adam. All children are therefore naturally evil, not good. This "evilness" causes them to do evil things by nature. Spanking is good instead of evil, because it helps children without permanently harm them in any way. (This is in strong contradiction to what Dr. Spock and others have long been claiming - their false idea that spanking harms children.)"


    so a baby is born evil huh?
    we all have little hitlers running around because some women ate an apple?
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Good for you. I'm sure you'll pass on your family traditions. As do others, like those wealthy liberal do-gooders and academic over-achievers you despise.

    If you say so. The ones I've cared for didn't seem to be. I can remember back to about 4, too, and I wasn't then. So at what age - earlier than 4 - do things begin to get a little more complex than "Spanking hurts, so I wont' do X" ?
     
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  7. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Don't you think those studies are biased? I mean most criminals probably came from a similar backgrounds. Neglectful parents, poor areas, grew up in bad neighborhoods, and had equally bad friends. Most drunks are the children of drunks, but they were probably spanked too. The spankings didn't make them drunks, the influence did. Most "wife- beaters" come from families with abusive fathers, they probably got spanked as children too. But the spanking probably didn't make them "wife-beaters" their parents' influence did. Spanking is an after thought to all of these criminals of violent crimes. It wasn't just the spanking that did it. As many others have said, they were spanked as a child, but had loving parents. Parents who cared for them, loved them, didn't allow them to hang out in the park after 10pm with their drug addicted friends. The psychologists see what they want to see. They go in looking for specifics, so of course that is what they find. If you want to make correlations to spanking, I think a good one would be that I hit my brother when he's being stupid or sometimes for no reason at all and I was spanked as a child so I learned bad behavior from it. But I don't still have tantrums when I want candy, I don't still disrespect my mother by giving smart remarks and I don't lock bathroom doors without anyone being in them (my mother later apologized for that one). And I have never been in an abusive romantic relationship, I've never been to jail, never did drugs, never got drunk. So spanking doesn't have only negative effects does it?
     
  8. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    CutsieMarie89 that is probably the best post i have seen here

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    Feel free to review there methodology, all the links are there as are the references in those links
     
  9. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    oh one further thing, if you go through shorty's link and through a couple of pages (notice the link is set up in such a way that finding out the author is dam near impossable) you find THIS page:

    http://www.somehelpfullinks.com/

    Way of Life Literature - an excellent source of reading material.

    Way of Life's Directory of Churches - should help you to find a good church to attend.

    The Fundamental Evangelistic Association - a good site for learning truth from the Bible.

    The Calvary Contender - a monthly newsletter about world events from a Baptist perspective, (no longer active, but with many older articles).

    The Plains Baptist Challenger - another monthly newsletter.

    The Only Way to God - an explanation of the gospel.

    Fundamentalist Baptist - an explanation of the term.
     
  10. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Exactly Cutsie....

    How many of us grownups here were hit/smacked/spanked as children. I seem to have read quite a few members here were. Out of all the members who were, how many of us are criminals? How many rapists among us? How many drug addicts? How many of you beat your wives? How many regularly beat your own kids? How many of you hate your parents for it? I could go on and on. I know a lot of ppl who were hit as children and none of them are any of the above.
     
  11. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry I am not an investigative reporter like you.

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  12. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Wow... My mother would have went ballistic if I told her that. I can't even imagine what she would have done or would do if I said that now. If I tried to hit my mother she would say "you don't hit me only parents can do that? Are you my mother?" then I would say no and she would say "so you can't hit me only my mother can". And then she lived by example when ever my grandmother came over and asked my mom to do something she did. If they got in an argument my mother would never raise her voice or talk back or anything. Everything she expected of me she expected of herself, it made me respect her even more. So I emulated her. Hopefully my children will do the same.
     
  13. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    shorty i spend most of my day chasing up source infomation because if i make a slip like that at uni i fail the subject (ONE slip can result in a fail for the assignment which also means a fail for the topic)

    Im ASSUMING you didnt read the whole artical down to the bit where it said "god says to spank children" or "children are inherently evil because of adam"?

    If yes then i find your dishonesty unethical, if not then i suggest you read your own articals
     
  14. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Errrr. You know, I did pretty well in school (BS, Doctorate). And my oldest son is now pursuing an engineering degree @ Purdue, while my younger children attend a private school with excellent academic standards. I'm not against academic achievement at all, I'm opposed to statism.
     
  15. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i dont respect violence and i find it VERY abhornet when it comes from someone who is surposed to care for you.

    In fact if i saw my brother abusing his children i would report him to DOCS and the same if it was PB doing it to OUR children.

    I have an ethical obligation to do it but that is beside the point.

    What is the difference between the bully who beat me up at school and my parents who hit me at home. YES i hit her back the second i was strong enough and would again if she tried it now AND i would have her charged with assult. I dont care WHO it is no one has the right to lay a hand on someone else UNLESS its to prevent them from iminiant danger and by that im talking about RESTRAINING them not abusing them
     
  16. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Actually when it got to the GOD part I stopped reading lolol.

    Btw: If I told my mom I would hit her back, I would have been black and blue.

    I am assuming you got hit a lot to have even thought about saying such a thing?

    Do you swear at your parents or call them names too?

    Sorry no matter what my parents did, I still respected the fact that they were the parents and I was the kid.
     
  17. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    By abusing, do you mean spanking? You'd turn your brother into the police for spanking his children? It's not illegal in Australia to spank your children, is it?
     
  18. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Ummmm let me get this straight. If you saw your brother spank his child you would report him? If you were married to PB and she spanked your child you would turn her in?

    What would it take? a mere spanking? or a beating?

    You would charge your own mother with assault if she hit you now? :bugeye:
    Ummmm Don't you think you are a bit old now? If she was hitting you now why wouldn't you just leave the situation and not keep in touch if it was that bad. Why would you try and charge her?
     
  19. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Ha! we are on the same wave length again.

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  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i swear alot

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    probably more than mum does DEFINITLY more than my dad but then i am on the border of Gen X gen Y which probably explaines that. Personally i think the proabition against swearing while you do it yourself is hypocrasy

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  21. lepustimidus Banned Banned

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    Cutsie:
    Yet there is a clear distinction between being someone's son/daughter, and being a child. While a child should definitely obey their parents wishes, once they become adults with their own homes, they are entitled to live as independent human beings without being under the thumb of their parents. This doesn't mean that offspring should stop respecting their parents and pronounce a big 'fuck you' once they reach 18 yrs of age. But I can respect someone without unquestioningly doing as they say, and I can expect that they also respect me and my choices.

    If their parents continue to meddle or treat their offspring with disrespect well in their adulthood, then the son/daughter needs to make it very clear that they won't tolerate it. The law recognises adults as equals, irrespective of the parent-offspring relationship, and the notion that parents can hit their adult offspring with impunity is contradicted by law.

    Personally, if my parents ever hit me, I wouldn't hit back. I'd simply walk away and cut off contact, as is my right as an autonomous human being. The same principle would also apply if they consistently treated me with immense disrespect.

    I don't support the idea of an adult striking either of their parents in retaliation, but I don't condemn it either. Some parents are utter assholes to their offspring, well into their adulthood, and clearly they have forgotten what it feels like to get slapped in the face. Perhaps it was time that someone reminded them.
     
  22. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    yes actually i would shorty. In the case of PB i would take the child and she would never see either of us again.

    The evidence is quite clear there is no good reason to hit a child or anyone else.

    I wonder how you two would feel about someone saying FGM causes no harm to a child?
     
  23. lepustimidus Banned Banned

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    Because assault is punishable under law?

    Perhaps the better question here is: Why should your mother be entitled to slap you around with impunity well into adulthood? And does the father have the same right?
     

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