SLAVERY: Ends justify the means

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  1. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Right, based on that logic I should consider myself fortunate if my boss came to my house an killed my family, but gave me a promotion with a big raise.

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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Amazing how little you know of the slave trade, and slave labor on the average plantation.
     
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  5. Bells Staff Member

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    Are you thinking of the triangular trade?
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    and much much more
     
  8. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Really, only to a racist?
     
  9. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    No.

    (caveat---I had a friend who once admonished me by saying "Just because it's logical doesn't mean it's rational.")
     
  10. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Like some kind of meta-ethical theory that does not think one can derive moral conclusions using non-moral facts?
     
  11. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    But to look at all possible negative and 'good' outcomes, one would have to say that living in the US is a pretty good generational outcome....
     
  12. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    " the human race ceased to develop, it struggles for petty comfort and false security-- there is no time for thought. soon there will be no time for reasoning, and man will lose sight of the truth.
    your reality is a prison. you have been invaded and enslaved-- seek only to know yourselves and live in harmony with the ways of your planet earth. may you be blessed by the supreme love and truth of the cosmos. "
     
  13. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Huh?
     
  14. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Yep.
     
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    Because having a higher poverty rate in the US, racist attitudes and stereotypes, having conservatives attempt to restrict their right to vote in many States, over-representation in the criminal justice system due to racist law enforcement policies and officers targeting them specifically through racial profiling, are all such wonderful outcomes because 'MERICA!?

    And I am not even touching on the racist laws and policies that denied them the right to vote, to move about freely, the thousands upon thousands who faced lynchings and were denied legal recognition and a fair trial, Jim Crow laws..

    There are no good outcomes from slavery, sunnevershines. There never was and there never will be.

    'MERICA, isn't that great and certainly not worth millions of men, women and children being ripped from their homes and countries, to the detriment of those countries, the effects of which are felt to this day, shipped like cattle and treated worse than cattle, resulting in too many deaths, and then generations worth of mistreatment, for one to two generations to now "live" in the US.

    If anyone argues that it is a positive outcome, then that person is deeply racist.
     
  16. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    So one cannot derive moral conclusions using non-moral facts?
     
  17. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    When someone/people cannot self regulate---what choice do we have? Spend MORE money on social programs that havent proven to lessen poverty cycles?
     
  18. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    "Self regulate"?

    Wow. Just. Fucking. Wow.
     
  19. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    ...or let them own the streets, shooting/robbing innocents

    What else would you call impregnating as many women as you want without a thought to what devestating effect this might have on society as a whole? Its not self regulating...
     
  20. Bells Staff Member

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    Oh look, more white supremacist utter racist bullshit.

    That is exactly what slaver's did.

    Are you talking about white slaver's here?

    Because surely, surely you are not saying that about black men..

    A word of caution, sunnevershines, this site has very explicit rules about racism and racist and bigoted stereotyping. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with them.
     
  21. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Are you really bagering me with racisl baseball bat? I'll let statistics speak:http://www.blackloveandmarriage.com...istics-black-america-should-pay-attention-to/
    According to the most recent government figures from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, “72 percent of black mothers are unwed which eclipses that of most other groups: 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans.” To be sure, these statistics do not imply that babies born to unwed mothers will be unsuccessful or devoid of opportunities. #####However, the data does bespeak of the need for more fathers in the home who are involved in their child’s life.#####
     
  22. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Or thus:http://blackdemographics.com/households/poverty/
    Black families with children under 18 headed by a single mother have the highest rate of poverty at 47.5 compared to only 8.4% percent of married-couple
     
  23. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Do you need crime stats too? How the hell am I racist for pointing out the social ills of a particular people for whom I already have said I dont hate, despise or disparage?
     
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