Sieg Heil!

So...it means fascism and racial purity?

Originally, Nazi was invented by analogy to Sozi (a common and slightly pejorative term for the Nazis' main opponents, the socialists in Germany){wiki}

Nazism, the political ideology of the German Nazi Party of the 1930s to 1940s. Since World War II, the term "National Socialism" (capitalized) almost always has referred to German Nazism, in the context of Western political or history discussions. It has also been adopted or applied to the ideology of descendent groups, generally referred to as Neo-Nazism. Its application to socialist or anarchist groups, however, is considered inaccurate and pejorative. {wikipedia}

 

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Hmm, I guess that just shows you how damned old I really am!!!

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Ophiolite:

Not necessarily. People CHOOSE to make that connection. Merely because the Nazis parroted the phase 'Sieg Heil' does not mean that anyone who shouts 'Sieg Heil' is a neo-Nazi supporter.

Perhaps others make a different connection. Perhaps when I hear Sieg Heil, I think of when the Germans chanted it after hearing the declaration of war against Russia and other imperialistic nations. The same Russia which occupied Poland for 100+ years, and then tried to steal its recently gained independence in the 1920's.

Perhaps when I hear it, I think of German war spirit, their resilience and national pride. Not their supposed 'slaughter' of the Jews, which only occupies one page in their vast history.

Even if 'Sieg Heil' did automatically correspond to supporting the Nazi regime, so fucking what? Are the thought police now dictating what people can and can't personally support? Must we tiptoe around because faint-hearted pussycats will be 'offended'. Didn't Hitler ban public speech which opposed his ideological beliefs?

Or an example of how Western occupation crushed their militant spirit, and defamed their proud history.

spidergoat:

Bullshit. Nazism is a brand of National Socialism, which was invented FAR LONG AFTER the concept of national socialism was (National Socialism was invented during the French Revolution, by Jean Jacques Rousseau.).

For example, you can have Red National Socialists (aka. many communist regimes, including Stalin), Yellow National Socialists (the French National Socialist Party, which later became 'The Federation of Yellows'), and other sorts of National Socialism. Czech and Britain had non anti-semitic national socialist parties.

Hapsburg:

Not in my mind. And why should they be? The phrase was used time and time again, long before the Nazis even existed. In fact, it was often used by the Germans (especially the Prussians) as a war cry to instill pride in their followers. Oh wait... perhaps THAT is the real reason why the phrase was banned...

Yeah, fancy that. I defend the right say phrases such as 'Hail to victory!'. There is nothing inherently anti-semitic about the statement. Quite the contrary, people CHOOSE to make that connection, because they have been brainwashed by Western propaganda.

Where Nazi = Anyone you don't agree with.

Muslims use phrases from the Koran for their common slogans. Guess we had better prosecute anyone who reads the Koran in public!

I don't have an intense hatred of Islam, moron.

Even if I was, so what? Label me a Nazi, and you've somehow blown my arguments out of the water? Why not label me a Communist and a Facist while you're at it, as well as a liberal and a conservative?

 

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True. If you want to dedicate your life to removing the stigma from that phrase so that it can be said by Germans, Americans, Israelis etc without any negative connotation, that's fine. Might take a while though. In fact, the good part is that you don't even have to do anything! Just wait a few hundred years and chances are, the phrase will be meaningless.

 

not bullshit. im a fairly average guy, and if you take 100 other average folks, and ask them who the most famous national socialists were, i would bet that over 90 percent of them would say "nazis".
period.
dont argue semantics that you know to be true.
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Well, take 100 average folks and ask them if males fucking other males in the ass is morally acceptable .....and what would you get?

Your argument is nothing but bullshit and, worse, idiocy! The average person is swayed by the constant and unrelenting news media and can be made to "see things" almost any way the media chose ....and you want to use such people as a conclusive statement?? ...LOL!

Baron Max

 

Depends entirely on the statement. If you're asking them a delicate scientific question based on relativity, you'll probably get the wrong answer. If you want to discern public opinion - well, they are the public. It's their opinion. So your results will be accurate

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Fame being a subjective thing, that also falls under opinion. So asking 100 random people is a reasonable way of determining the 'most famous National Socialists'.

 

I disagree, simply because National Socialism is not socialism at all. The name was taken up to spite the real socialists in Germany, who were their enemy. There is nothing about National Socialism that has anything in common with the philosophy of Jean Jacques Rousseau.

Yes, it does. Words cannot just mean what you want them to mean, divorced from history. It's like wanting to go around saying you're gay because you're happy, it just doesn't mean the same thing anymore.

 

Indeed, I read the story of a guy returning to Berlin during the last year of the war. Berlin had been bombed to shit and the Soviets were on their way to Berlin. The mood amongst berliners was of one of defeatism. Something that aggrevated Hitler of course.

This guy went in a store and did the sieg heil thing that was the common greeting earlier in the war. People stared at him. People had lost faith in their fuhrer. They didn't have enough faith to continue keeping up the symbolism of their nazi empire.

The sieg heil was at that moment and still is a symbol of that particular empire and it always will be.

Anyone who says that it isn't is either extremely uneducated or just a troll.

 

No, where "Nazi" = rabid anti-semitic trollfucker.

 

When in doubt consult the encyclopedia

When something is in the encyclopedia it is safe to assume it is common and agreed upon knowledge.

 

if you want to dance, we will. *sigh*

i was talking about average folks around the world, not just in arkansas. i have lived all over this planet, and most folks dont give a damn about where a dick goes, as long as they dont have to watch you do it.

you have no idea what the average person experiences from your FAAAAR right wing horizon.

 

Ultimate sceptic: there is no chair.
Pragmatist: *brains sceptic with chair*

 

Oh, two can play at this game, Zeph.

Ultimate optimist: *fucks the chair*
Ultimate pessimist: *gets fucked by the chair*.

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GO EAT A HAM SANDWICH​

 

do you wonder why you got banned, brian foley?

if i were a mod, i would have perma-banned you.
i am against racial slurs of any kind. particularly the kind that can be explained away by childish "i didnt mean anything by it" remarks. you sicken me.

 

Oh, why would I do that, when I enjoy salami far more than ham?

 

No I think its his turn to be banned , calling others troll fucker , calling me a mother fucker and his unprovoked obscene attack on happeh today as well as his labelling everyone a racist , nazi and anti-semite who does not agree with him .

 

When the Nazis organised the 1936 summer olympic games the Nazis continued a tradition long lost: to ignite the olympic fire on mount olympia using centralised solar beams according to Ancient Greek tradition. This tradition is still active. Many have argued that the tradition should be dropped because of the Nazi origin. Isn't that moronic?

By the way, out of respect for the dead? Just like the dead (can) give a shit! No, National Socialist is an ideology that was banned to prevent another uprising. Nationalism had caused enough trouble at that time, just look at all the totalitarian countries back then.

By the way Nazism is not another name for national socialism but it was derived from the German word for national socialism. The definition of Nazism is Hitler's vision on national socialism. Central to the philosophy is the belief that the Aryan race is superior to other races.

 

First off, I don't call everyone who disagrees with me "nazis". If you're acting racist against Jewish people and Israel, that seems very anti-semtic and nazist, does it not?
Second of all, you've posted several anti-israel and anti-jewish threads. If that's not anti-semitism, I don't know what is.