Should man rely on himself or God?

Are you saying you do?
If not, what is your preference?

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DL

 

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Let us pray, to the greatest power on earth, man, that it comes quickly.

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DL

 

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Haha not quite what i meant

 

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Well, the laws in the scripture are fixed. There is no way of amending them or for taking them off of the statute book. In this regard, they are inflexible and largely outdated. As Jesus was in favour of proactive justice for minority groups, I would say that gay rights and womens rights should be reinterpreted for contemporary life. In this way, the spirit of Gods' law and mens' law need not be at odds.

 

I agree. That would mean replacing God's laws with man's and man of course will favor these and not be at odds with his own laws.
No need then for God's, now, non existing laws.

Regards
DL

 

Nobody know's the difference between right and wrong
until they understand the consequences of their actions.

God had given them instructions, and they chose to disobey them.
They didn't trust God, that was their mistake.

jan.

 

It was the tree of knowledge of good and evil they were forbidden to eat from. How were they supposed to know, before they had eaten from the tree, that disobeying god was wrong?

 

The concept of doing something ''wrong'' comes from experience.
They had an option, and made a choice.

jan.

 

So the tree has got nothing to do with it? Hmm... the bible might disagree.
And, by the way, how much experience did they have actually?

 

The question to ask is; was A or E forced against their will to accept
offer?

If they didn't know the difference between right and wrong actions, I can
only assume they had not made any personal choices up until that period.
They had lived in complete accordance to their environment.

jan.

 

What are you babbling about?

 

Trust is something that one earns. If God did not earn it then that is his problem not A & E's.

Further, would you trust someone who wanted to keep you as bright as a cow and a slave to his every word and not allow you any autonomy?

Regards
DL

 

And that's your analasys?

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jan.

 

I should have known it would come to this?
My bad.

jan.

 

Yep.

Try coming up with a few issues where good and evil do not apply. It is quite tough.

Without the knowledge of good and evil we could talk about almost nothing.

If your next is as informative as your last, you may as well ignore me.
I do not have time for your ilk.

Regards
DL

 

I don't blame you, if you're making statements like ''god did not earn his trust''.

Do you have any idea of the magnitude of God, regardless of belief or lack of?


jan.

 

Yes. 0. Excepting whatever your delusion gives you.

Regards
DL

 

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Is that an approval of GIA's nonsense?

Why do you agree with him?

jan

 

If memory serves me right God told Adam that the forbidden fruit would kill them. The snake told Eve that God was lying and that they wouldn't die.
Looks to me as if the snake was right and God was indeed lying.
He did punish them however, in the most childish manner I might add.
-- You still didn't answer my question about the tree of knowledge of good and evil by the way. What was it for? What were the effects of the fruit if someone were to eat from it?
And what's with the cursing of the snake? If it really was Satan disguised as a snake why did God curse the snakes?