Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study

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  1. w1z4rd Cry the beloved country Valued Senior Member

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    Read more http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,2004399,00.html
     
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  3. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Which makes the global warming thing that much more believable, doesn't it?
     
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  5. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    there is good and bad in everything.
    the trick is to publicize and reward good and punish bad.

    . . . i can't wait for this onslaught.
     
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  7. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure that liberal lobying groups are completely above this influence. I'm sure that GreenPeace has never offered grants to climate scientits.

    It's like writing a check to a politician---you do so in the hopes that they will win and further some specific agenda. Exxon has a vested interest in the climate change science being shown wrong, so...
     
  8. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    For all the evidence that scientists claim they have on global warming, and that it's "likely" that humans have caused it ...........what do they say caused the last global warming trends that are evident in the polar ice studies? There have been other global trends before humans were even a factor. So..... what caused it back then?

    Baron Max
     
  9. zenbabelfish autonomous hyperreal sophist Registered Senior Member

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    The philosopher Foucault has done some interesting analyses on the relationship between power and truth. Also Max Weber's 'Science as a Vocation', Bruno Latour, Donna Harraway, lots more too.

    My reading sees truth as constructed and relative to power; the more power, the more truth to support the position.
     
  10. Genji Registered Senior Member

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    True. The fact the government & oil barons are fudging real science presented to them and manufacturing oil industry science is appalling. What are they so afraid of and where is the outrage?
     
  11. Genji Registered Senior Member

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16922234/ We'll have to wait and see what Exxon Climate Scientists say.......
     
  12. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    This is hilarious. Those oil companies just won't stop.

    It takes decisive, hard-line action to stop them.

    Arrest the oil executives. Impose the largest corporate taxes in history on oil companies. Break them up again. Ban Hummers, SUVs, and the like, or restrict licenses further for gas-guzzlers. Impose carbon tax. Impose weight tax. Outlaw lobbyist science. Outlaw PR slap-suits.

    These are all actions we must take in America, or else the world will pay.
     
  13. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    If we take all of those actions that you propose, how long will it take to produce results? ...a reversal of the global warming trend?

    Baron Max
     
  14. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    how long will it take to produce results if you don't take action?
     
  15. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    True, but then Philip Morris had a vested interest in killing many poeple with cigarettes and did so by buying favorable "research" also.

    It is no news that there are whores among climate scientist too.
     
  16. w1z4rd Cry the beloved country Valued Senior Member

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  17. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Just read an interesting report on my IP homepage ....scientists agreed that even with all of the controls in place, it will take centuries to stop the global warming trends. And that's if the put every method to work to try to stop the pollution, etc.

    So ...even if we went back to living in caves, never burned any fires, ate the meat raw and bloody, the global warming would continue. So ...what'd'ya say we just sit back and watch the show in the comfort of our heated/air conditioned homes on big-screen tv? Can't do nothin' about it, may as well enjoy it.

    Baron Max
     
  18. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    It's just the UN's way of admitting it's cyclical, without saying so.
     
  19. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    That is the optimistic view. For the other side, see:
    http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1281393&postcount=3
    Which BTW has long had a note in it to you.
     
  20. phonetic stroking my banjo Registered Senior Member

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    There is jack shit we can do, so why bother?

    Global warming and ice ages are earth cycles that aren't going to change just because we want to them to. We might be able to slow it down very slightly, although it seems very unlikely and pointless because of the changes we'd have to make to everyday life. Oil will run out fairly soon, so I think upping prices and imposing green taxes is getting us used to high oil prices, low availability and ultimately no oil at all. Softening the blow if you will.

    Why not let us enjoy it 'til it's gone?

    As for places going underwater - that just isn't my fucking problem. If you live on an island that's a couple of feet above sea level, it seems likely you'll get your feet wet now and again. People and governments need to take measures and move these people out of high risk areas, but not to try and reverse the effects of global warming and rising sea levels. They won't do shit, but when these places go underwater we'll be guilt-tripped into believing it's our fault.
     
  21. w1z4rd Cry the beloved country Valued Senior Member

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    I'm so angry at the "why bother" attitude displayed by some people here. It is absolutely disgusting and shameful. Its the EXACT same argument that got us into this mess. ""Why bother" watching how much we waste... we are not going to be alive and on the receiving end"

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    Grr
     
  22. Exhumed Self ******. Registered Senior Member

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    I don't understand how the UN is connected to this study's conclusions or how they are saying it is cyclical (considering the report concluded that it was not a natural cycle. Could you explain what you're talking about, please?
     
  23. Exhumed Self ******. Registered Senior Member

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    What about the people after we exist, centuries later? Are they worth as much as watching tv on big screen?

    No, of course not...

    ...unless TV starts getting a lot better. Reality TV isn't cutting it

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