Saw Star Trek Last Night (DO NOT READ THIS)

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by lixluke, May 8, 2009.

  1. superstring01 Moderator

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    Hey, apparently we're all supposed to have read the graphic stories that lead up to this movie. Somehow the Narada got ahold of Borg technology and integrated it into the ship. I shit you not.

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  3. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    Would it really be possible to make the 'Next De-Generation' any worse than it was ?

    I mean - I guess they could do something like CGI-ing Steve Urkel in place of Wesley Crusher... ...but other than that...

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  5. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    Look, I get it: You didn't like the movie. But quite frankly there comes a point where pointing out what you think were flaws in the plot just come off as nit-picking.
    I can also understand the tendancy to do so. I absolutely {i]Hated[/i] "Starship Troopers", because in my opinion, it trashed the original novel. As a result I tended to do the same thing; I pounced on every problem I noted. Even things I probably would have let slide if I felt the movie had done a better job of capturing the book.
     
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  7. superstring01 Moderator

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    Well duh.

    Anybody who forks over their money to see a movie has, not only the RIGHT, but the obligation to pick it apart. These weren't just casual "oopses". They were blatant oversights that even a freshmen English literature student could have caught.

    As he pointed out, NONE of these plot holes were needed to generate a great story. All of them could have been written out and/or substituted with other dramatic elements that would have worked JUST as well and closed up these gaping holes.

    I liked the movie. Hell: I saw it TWICE! The movie did what it was supposed to: it made LOTS of money (and probably still will), but that doesn't excuse the laziness.

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  8. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Well the movie had to capture both trekkies and regular fans (like myself) and people who know absolutely nothing about the show. Many movies sacrifice the story for a good fight scene. If there were hardly any action scenes people who don't care for star trek probably wouldn't even be encouraged to see it. In fact Steven Spielberg does it all of the time. As he said himself, discontinuity makes for a more exciting film. Like he did in Jurassic Park, by changing the scenery. Only people who really cared that much even noticed that he did it. I've only been watching Star Trek for a short while but the show always explains nonsense off with a stupid excuses, like the Q. This movie's stupid excuse was the future. Nero knew everything he needed to know about Spock and Kirk and red matter and black holes because he already knew it. How many movies don't have some kind of plot hole or bad science?
     
  9. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    He was not recruiting.

    Everyone there, sans Kirk, was already a cadet and in uniform. In other words, they had been recruited.

    They were, apparently, in the middle of nowhere so they could board a shuttle to fly a few hundred miles to San Francisco. That makes absolutely no sense. Forget for a moment that they have transporters, why gather in Iowa? McCoy was there for no reason, too. He was from Kentucky. Why stop off in Iowa on the way to San Francisco? I took the "townie" reference to mean there was some kind of Federation installation there, but that doesn't make sense, either. I mean, I guess they "happened" to be building the Enterprise nearby, but that doesn't explain all the cadets. . .

    Sloppy writing.

    That's ridiculous.


    Exactly.

    Look, the whole thing about Nero's ship being bad-ass could have been solved by changing it to some super-advanced Warbird, and thus, Nero and his guys could have been some ultra-militant Romulans, bent on revenge. Again, small change. Makes more sense than the huge mining vessel with ridiculous drill nonsense. And how much cooler would it have been to have all the remaining Warbirds come back in time to destroy the federation?
     
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  10. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Recruitment doesn't even make since in real life. When I went to perform in New York, we all had to meet at the LAX airport in LA then fly from LAX to the San Fransisco Airport so we could fly to New York. Why did we meet in LA why didn't we just meet in San Fransisco (they are both 3 hours away from where we lived)? Or even better why didn't we just fly to NY from LAX? Because that what the coordinators told us to do. They had their reasons. It may be convenient, but it's not like it's completely improbable either. It makes a lot sense for McCoy to be there if he's from Kentucky. Last time I checked Kentucky and Iowa are much closer than Kentucky and California.
    You just want to hate. Saying silly things like McCoy and Kirk couldn't go to school together.

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  11. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    If anybody wanted to enjoy this film, it was me. I grew up watching Trek and probably know more about it -- and can quote more useless trivia -- than I want my peers around me to know. That being said, I didn't like it. The film was contrived and preposterous. It also, essentially after an hour, was boring and predictable.

    A decent review:
    http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2009/05/18/090518crci_cinema_lane
     
  12. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I enjoyed it, but I also found it to be a raping of originality and of sound script writing.
     
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  13. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, this movie was an utter disrespect to Gene and Star Trek, they ruined it with Enterprise and now are looking to blame the franchises collapse on that, when infact it's the very real truth they changed Genes vision in Enterprise so that's why it failed in the first place, they'd already begun doing it in Voyager but Enterprise finished it off. They caused it!
     
  14. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    Just occured to me- why didn't Nero go back in time and save the damn Romulan planet himself?!!!
     
  15. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Exactly.
     
  16. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    Because it wasn't a time machine really, didn't it just happen by accident that they were able to go back into the past?
     
  17. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think he knew how to get back. Apparently black holes are unpredictable considering how long they waited for Spock to come out.
     
  18. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Yep. They're unpredictable, which is why Spock came out AT EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE. Seriously, listen to what you say and realize that it's describing how poorly written this movie was.
     
  19. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    The same place thing actually made sense to me. :shrug:
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I thought it was good, very entertaining. I have been a life-long trekkie, I even went to a convention and met Nichelle Nichols once in the 80's. It was much, much better than Nemesis.

    The only thing I don't get it how could Vulcan be gone, how could Spock's mom die? They both existed many years later in the Star Trek universe.
     
  21. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    alternate time line when Nero went back in time. The old Spock came from a different time line. Old Spock was friends with a Kirk who's Dad didn't die. Old Spock never hooked up with Uhura. etc etc
     
  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, that's cool. There is so much for trekkies to talk about now, the movie was very dense, I'm going to have to watch it over and over. There is always some controversy when a new Star Trek movie comes out, but eventually people come to love it.
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    and the old "time line" is now dead, all of star trek before can be chucked in the garbage, they will provide us the replacement, with movie after movie perhaps even new tv shows based on the new time line, with slick 2000's styling and effects and all the depth of a kiddy pool.
     

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