Save America ? There's nothing left to save !

Nope.
The next election is already over.
The Democrats threw away a sure victory.
Idiots.

 

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How can you be so sure?

 

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There's simply no way that a black man or a white woman is electable as president of the United States. There are far too many racists and misogynists still out there for that to be even conceivable.

Nope.
The Democrats threw it all away and now we're stuck with McCain.
And McCain wouldn't even be so bad except he's really shown his true colors this time around. The man is a weasel who will say absolutely anything to get elected.

 

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Thing is....I want some sorta statistic on the numbers of racists in this country, I don't think their number is nearly large enough to effect the election.

 

Well, I hope you're right, but I don't think so.

I'll be voting for whichever Democrat makes it. Looks like it'll be Obama. But, I'm pretty sure it's a wasted vote.

Would be nice to push a third party or independent through since both main candidates are either garbage or unelectable. That would be the best outcome.

 

Parties only spell misfortune in my opinion.

 

Um, America -- the Constitutionally-armed version -- has preemptively turned you into the easily accounted for unnecessary Sheeple.

Feeling lucky, punk?

 

heh well what do we expect from our "leaders"?
I mean this country was founded on a joke....a bunch of slave owners looking for a land they could be "free" in....if thats not comical i dont know what is.

i don't see any possible way to avoid whatever is coming......wether it be economic collapse, depression, obliteration, wwIII, revolution, civil war, holocaust revisited, fascism police state bla bla bla......so many shitty outcomes possible.

Or maybe everything will work out just fine. Iraq will become a free democratic society influencing all other mid east nations to follow. Terrorism will be wiped out because the world will be in a eutopic state due to the efforts of the iraq war effort that no one will be angry enough at anyone else to fight.

Bottom line is these slave owning hypocritical self righteous so called "leaders" are making some pretty damn BIG decisions to solve issues that cannot be solved.....ie: terrorism

please tell me how the hell you fight terrorism....because the only possible answer i can come up with to combat terrorism is for people to lose their freedoms, liberties....civil rights....whatever were calling em these days.

 

I see your well educated in the history of the Americas.

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

 

Before you open your mouth learn a little bit about the subject!!!!!


The evidence for slavery predates written records. It can be found in almost all cultures and continents. Slavery can be traced to the earliest records, such as the Code of Hammurabi in Mesopotamia (~1800 BC), which refers to slavery as an already established institution. An important exception occurred under the reign of the Achaemenid Empire in Persia in 500 BC. The forced labor of women in some ancient and modern cultures may also be identified as slavery. Slavery, in this case, includes sexual services.

Slavery in the ancient cultures was known to occur in civilizations as old as Sumer, and found in every such civilization, including Ancient Egypt, the Akkadian Empire, Assyria, Ancient Greece, Rome and parts of its empire, and the Islamic Caliphate. Such institutions were a mixture of debt-slavery, punishment for crime, the enslavement of prisoners of war, child abandonment, and the birth of slave children to slaves.[2] In the Roman Empire, probably over 25% of the population was enslaved.[3] Scholars believe that 30 to 40% of the total population of Italy was enslaved.[4]

In the Viking era starting c. 793, the Norse raiders often captured and enslaved weaker peoples they encountered. In the Nordic countries the slaves were called thralls (Old Norse: Þræll).[7] The thralls were mostly from Western Europe, among them many Franks, Anglo-Saxons, and Celts. There is evidence of German, Baltic, Slavic and south European slaves as well.

Columbus discovered America in 1492, and by 1526 the Spanards were importing slave to and from America.

Spanish Influence
In 1526 the first African slaves were brought to what is now the U.S. by a Spanish expedition to Florida. Spanish slavery was different from that which the ...
http://www.nps.gov/archive/jeff/lewisclark2/circa1804/Heritage/SpanishInfluence/SpanishInfluence.htm

Before 1400: Slavery had existed in Europe from Classical times and did not disappear with the collapse of the Roman Empire. Slaves remained common in Europe throughout the early medieval period. However, slavery of the Classical type became increasingly uncommon in Northern Europe and, by the 11th and 12th centuries, had been effectively abolished in the North. Nevertheless, forms of unfree labour, such as villeinage and serfdom, persisted in the north well into the early modern period. In Southern and Eastern Europe, Classical-style slavery remained a normal part of the society and economy and trade across the Mediterranean and the Atlantic seaboard meant that African slaves began to appear in Italy, Spain, Southern France, and Portugal well before the discovery of the New World in 1492. From about the 8th century onwards, an Arab-run slave trade also flourished, with much of this activity taking place in East Africa, Arabia, and the Indian Ocean. In addition, many African societies themselves had forms of slavery, although these differed considerably, both from each other and from the European and Arabic forms. Although various forms of unfree labour were prevalent in Europe throughout its history, historians refer to 'Chattel Slavery', in which slaves are commodities to be bought and sold, rather than domestic servants or agricultural workers. Chattel Slavery is the characteristic form of slavery in the modern world, and this chronology is concerned primarily with this form.

1441: Start of European slave trading in Africa. The Portuguese captains Antão Gonçalves and Nuno Tristão capture 12 Africans in Cabo Branco (modern Mauritania) and take them to Portugal as slaves.

1452: Start of the 'sugar-slave complex'. Sugar is first planted in the Portuguese island of Madeira and, for the first time, African slaves are put to work on the sugar plantations.
18 June 1452: Pope Nicholas V issues Dum Diversas, a bull authorising the Portuguese to reduce any non-Christians to the status of slaves.

1481-86: Diogo da Azambuja builds the castle at Elmina (modern Ghana) which was to become the most substantial and the most notorious of the slave-trading forts in West Africa.

 

Yes, do some research about slavery before you expound on the subject!!!!!!

The issue of slavery in Muslim societies is not purely historical but has lingering contemporary effects, especially in certain parts of Africa and the Gulf states. Some majority Muslim nations – Saudi Arabia, for example – were among the last to outlaw slavery in the twentieth century. Vestigial effects of domestic slavery still exist in certain Gulf nations in the failure of police and lawmakers to protect immigrant household workers against potential abuses by employers. Women employed as maids and nannies have little recourse against sexual coercion or harsh beatings; in some cases, those who have escaped and sought refuge with police have been forcibly returned to their employers. (http://www.humanrightswatch.org) It is important to note that these women are not legally enslaved, and they generally receive compensation for their work that differentiates their situation from that of those in debt bondage. However, because of the acceptance of controls on their mobility (employers often take their passports), and the refusal of law enforcement officials to respond to complaints of maltreatment, they are particularly vulnerable to abuse.

In some African nations, actual slavery continues. Repeated attempts to outlaw slavery in Mauritania have had little effect. The most recent declaration of abolition, in 1980, has been largely ineffective, with 90,000 black Mauritanians remaining essentially enslaved to Arab/Berber owners. (www.iabolish.com/today/background/mauritania.htm) In the Sudan, Christian captives in the ongoing civil war are often enslaved, and female prisoners are often used sexually, with their Muslim captors claiming that Islamic law grants them permission. (http://www.iabolish.com/today/background/sudan.htm)

 

Go ahead , make my day .................

 

Okay.

You're looking particularly becoming in your up-lift bra.

 

lol wtf? thanks for the slavery history lesson lol.....I don't see what you are trying to get at by showing history of slavery......doesn't make it right....its wrong I don't care what year it is.

This country was founded under the idea of being FREE? no? are slaves FREE? slavery was common in the US? no?

so is it outlandish to label the leaders of the country hypocritical for both accepting slavery and freedom?!?

 

Criticize the recent USAmerican slide toward tyranny, and more often than the heartfelt defense of liberty, we witness the whopping and facile red herring:
"Look over there (not here)... See?! Tyranny!"

Which is part and parcel of our societal malaise. The body-politic of the USA is clearly suffering from a bad case of the nazis. As Sam remarked, the coming election will be a tremendous indicator of our prognosis. We remain so vulnerable to a steeper decline into authoritarianism, that even less-than-spectacular terrorist provocations of USAmerican pride and prejudice can alter history profoundly, and precipitate even more fateful desecrations and derailments of the highest USAmerican ideals, and the precipitous breakdown of the international goodwill and confidence underpinnings of our prosperity. It would not be so difficult now for enemies of the US Constitution to induce a self-destructive feedback-loop involving public fear and the concentration of unaccountable authority within our fast-corporatizing government.

I believe that there is still everything left to save in the USA and the opportunity to do so, but it will soon require nothing less than the dramatic re-awakening of our founding Revolutionary spirit.

 

I agree it isn't right either. But the United States didn't invent Slavery, it was well established by the Time our country was founded.

Slavery wasn't common in the United States, in the South, only one in four held slave, and the population of the South was less than a 1/3 of the total population of the Country.

This country was founded on Taxation and Representation.

To establish this country compromises were made, ugly compromises, and those compromises were corrected in a bloody war, the Civil War, 600,000 lives to establish the right to freedom for all.

No.

The prime reason that this country was formed was to keep it from falling under European domination again after the Revolutionary War.

What good what it have done if after the war each State went it's own way?

Countries in Europe would only have seen this as a opening to expand their over sea's colonies, those state that allowed slaver would still have allowed slavery, and those that didn't would have fallen back under European Nations that did allow slavery.

The Fact, is that the issue of slavery almost ended this country before it was even formed, it was a thoroughly debated and fought issue, in the Convention's that formed this Country, and was force to continue by Southern State who would otherwise have never joined the Confederation, and finally the Country that came from that Confederation.

Now you opened up on America with no thought to the actual history of Slavery.

It was well established in the Americas long before the United States was ever thought of.

It was the heritage of the Colonial Powers of Europe who came here looking for riches, spice, gold, and slaves.

America fought a bloody 4 year war to end slavery, and there was the Underground Rail Road that helped slaves escape to freedom from the earliest days of the country.

Slavery still exist in Africa, and the Middle East, and South East Asia, so why haven't you castigated those areas?

America along with Britain lead the way in the abolition of slavery, America expended 600,000 lives to end slavery, that peculiar institution inherited from the Europeans who first came here looking for Gold, Spice and Slaves.

 

Fair enough, I opened up on America as.....I an american citizen and feel obligated to criticize its leadership given....our current state of affairs.

 

Then as a American Citizen you should know the history of Slavery in our country, and the fact that we spent the blood of 600,000 live removing that blot from our country.

You slam America, The fact is that we cleansed the Blot of Slavery 153 years ago, and lead the world along with Britain in that fight.

But slavery is still practiced, in the Middle east, Africa the cradle of slavery, South East Asia.

Slavery is dead in America, but around the world the same cannot be said, so how about some condemnation of those current governments and religions that still tolerate slavery, and stop worrying about something wiped out in this country 153 years ago.

Now if your so worried about the country, vote out every politician in the House who has been their more than 6 years, and every politician in Senate that have been in office over 12 years, they have done nothing to cure the problems in this country.

What has Teddy Kennedy done? He's been in office 46 years and has he solved the Social Security Problems? Medicare? Energy?

Rank...Name........................Seniority date ......................Other factors
1.......Robert Byrd (D-WV).....January 3, 1959
2 Ted Kennedy (D-MA)..........November 7, 1962
3 Daniel Inouye (D-HI)..........January 3, 1963
4 Ted Stevens (R-AK)...........December 24, 1968
5 Pete Domenici[6] (R-NM)....January 3, 1973.....New Mexico 37th Population (1970)
6 Joe Biden(D-DE)................Delaware 46th.......Population (1970)
7 Patrick Leahy (D-VT).........January 3, 1975
8 Richard Lugar (R-IN)..........January 4, 1977 Indiana...........11th Population (1970)
9 Orrin Hatch (R-UT)............Utah 36th Population (1970)
10 Max Baucus (D-MT).........December 15, 1978
11 Thad Cochran (R-MS)...... December 27, 1978
12 John Warner[6] (R-VA).....January 2, 1979
13 Carl Levin (D-MI).............January 3, 1979
14 Chris Dodd (D-CT)............January 3, 1981............Former Rep (6 years) - Connecticut 24th Population (1970)
15 Chuck Grassley (R-IA).......Januaty 3, 1971...................Former Rep (6 years) - Iowa 2th Population (1970)
16 Arlen Specter (R-PA).........January 3, 1981
17 Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)........January 3, 1983
18 John Kerry (D-MA).............January 2, 1985
19 Tom Harkin (D-IA).............January 3, 1985.........................Former Rep
20 Mitch McConnell (R-KY)......January 3
21 Jay Rockefeller (D-WV).......January 15, 1985
22 Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)..... January 6, 1987...........Former Rep (10 years)
23 Richard Shelby (R-AL)........January 6, 1987...........Former Rep (8 years)
24 John McCain (R-AZ)...........January 6, 1987...........Former Rep (4 years) - Arizona 29th Population (1980)
25 Harry Reid (D-NV)..............January 6, 1987...........Former Rep (4 years) - Nevada 43rd Population (1980)
26 Kit Bond (R-MO).................January 6, 1987................Former Governor
27 Kent Conrad (D-ND)............January 6, 1987
28 Herb Kohl (D-WI)................January 3, 1989................Wisconsin 16th Population (1980)
29 Joe Lieberman[7] (ID-CT).....January 3,1989.................Connecticut 25th Population (1980)
30 Daniel Akaka (D-HI).............May 16, 1990
31 Larry Craig[6] (R-ID)...........January 3, 1991
32 Dianne Feinstein (D-CA).......November 10, 1992
33 Byron Dorgan (D-ND)...........December 15, 1992
34 Barbara Boxer (D-CA)..........January 5, 1993..........Former Rep (10 years)
35 Judd Gregg (R-NH)..............January 5, 1993..........Former Rep (8 years)
36 Russ Feingold (D-WI)...........January 5, 1993..........Wisconsin 16th Population (1990)
37 Patty Murray (D-WA)...........January 5, 1993..........Washington 18th Population (1990)
38 Bob Bennett (R-UT).............January 5, 1993..........Utah 35th Population
(1990)
39 Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX)..June 14, 1993
40 Jim Inhofe (R-OK)................November 17, 1994
41 Olympia Snowe (R-ME).........January 4, 1995........................Former Rep (16 years)
42 Jon Kyl (R-AZ)....................January 4, 1995........................Former Rep (8 years)
43 Ron Wyden (D-OR)...............February 6, 1996
44 Sam Brownback (R-KS).........November 7, 1996
45 Pat Roberts (R-KS)..............January 7, 1997........................Former Rep (16years)
46 Richard Durbin (D-IL)...........January 7, 1997........Former Rep (14 years)
47 Tim Johnson (D-SD).............January 7, 1997........Former Rep (10 years)
48 Wayne Allard[6] (R-CO)January 7, 1997........Former Rep (6 years) - Colorado 26th Population (1990)
49 Jack Reed (D-RI).................January 7, 1997........Former Rep (6 years) - Rhode Island 43rd Population (1990)
50 Mary Landrieu (D-LA)January 7, 1997........Louisiana 21st Population (1990)
51 Jeff Sessions (R-AL)January 7, 1997........Alabama 22nd Population (1990)
52 Gordon Smith (R-OR)January 7, 1997........Oregon 29th Population (1990)
53 Chuck Hagel[6] (R-NE)January 7, 1997........Nebraska 36th Population (1990)
54 Susan Collins (R-ME)January 7, 1997........Maine 38th Population (1990)
55 Mike Enzi (R-WY)January 7, 1997........Wyoming 50th Population (1990)

All of these Senators have been in office 12 years or longer, and what have they accomplished, Higher Gas prices through the legislation they have passed? They haven't fixed Social Security, what have they done except raise taxes and spent more money than the Government has taken in.

The same thing for the House, every swing pair, ball or tits that have been there more than 6 years should be voted out of office, and real working people put voted in.

 

"Higher Gas prices through the legislation they have passed?"

Higher petroleum prices are not due to legislation. Instead, they are about the unsettling reality of global supply and demand.

 

Christ on a crutch man.....I do not have the time in my life even if i wanted, to be THAT informed.

U.S. got rid of slavery thats awesome, it wouldn't be tolerated by a country of our size and standard. I guess I should have more respect for the founders of this country than any there after as at least they had the balls to fight in the wars they commited to.

I do appreciate that information you posted about the senators I find it interesting/enlightening to know.

Maybe if the "people" of this country weren't so tied up with their day to day lives we could get some issues takes care of.

Being an informed American citizen involves some serious time/effort that I don't think is practical unless your retired or have a significant amount of time on your hands.

I guess what I'm getting at is this. I am a disgruntled american citizen and I play by the rules of this "society". I went to school, I have a BS, I got a good job, I pay my taxes, I pay all my bills, I have no criminal record etc etc etc........I would like it to be better but because I participate in this "soctiety" I literally have no time to educate myself on political issues enough to stand a chance at changing anything.

Could this be why it seems the education in the U.S. is poor? We simply don't have the time or are too distracted/preoccupied to educate ourselves on how exactly the country is ran and what we can do about changing government processes if we don't like how things are being conducted?

It seems to me the above mention is a big player in the "stupidity" of America......add american idol, survivor, and other Reality tv shows and you have consumed a great deal of time whith absolutly nothing to show for it other than something to talk about at the office the next day.

just my perspective on it all