Republicans who buy into the Trump conspiracy rhetoric

Discussion in 'Politics' started by James R, Jan 4, 2021.

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Would Trump really have won the 2020 US Presidental election, if it were not for electoral fraud?

Poll closed Feb 3, 2021.
  1. No doubt! Vote Trump 2024! Lock up Biden!

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  2. Yes.

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  3. No.

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  4. Are you kidding? People who are *still* pushing that line are nuts.

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  5. I'm not brave enough to venture an opinion on this. Just show me the results.

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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    What I said James.....
    Really, to use an expression you often use, stop being so damn precious James, it's not a good look.
    Dare, James? Not quite as childish as "scared" but gee, grow up will you.
    Not a good look James, not a good look.

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    He is an extremist for the reasons I noted, and particularly the latest shenanigans.
    What you believe is your business.
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I just wanted to help you out James.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The current patterns of anomaly and suppression are common to every national election since Bush lost to Clinton in '90 (older patterns of suppression, mostly, were improved and elaborated by the Republican Party starting around then, and picked up momentum during and after the 2000 elections).
    No formal allegations, legal attention, or major market and professionally supported investigative journalism, of course - just the obvious statistical and circumstantial stuff, in this case kind of extreme, picked up by bloggers and freelance essayists and such. I posted a link earlier - it's still the easiest to find (although it deals with machine vote alterations and similar only, merely one aspect of the many-sided problem : https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That is openly and obviously false, in the US.
    A small and aberrant fringe of Republicans, mostly of media-hyped apologists getting paid to repeat lefty truisms from the turn of the century on TV, does not fully support Trump.
    If Trump were Finnish, he might be an extremist. As a Republican Party politician he's mainstream, centrist, a Reagan clone.
    I know more about Trump than you do (for example, that he has a couple of people on the payroll who are authorized to write tweets for him - and one of their tactics is to misspell words or commit grammatical errors) and that isn't even the point. What you apparently don't know about Republican Americans is the cause of your misconceptions about Trump's "extremism". He's just pandering to his voting base - which is more than a quarter of all American adults.
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Thanks. That sounds like it should be officially investigated. Why aren't the Democrats kicking up a fuss to get it done?
     
  10. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    Bite your tongue! Extremist? Trump is pretty much the opposite of a Finn as someone can be.
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Some are trying.
    Two circumstances:
    American law enforcement is predominantly rightwing and corporate, defending capital and private property with a focus and zeal that warms the Marxist "told you so" unheroic heart ;
    overtly political access to US news and information media is very expensive - the news media treats politics as a cash cow.

    And of course the left, which hasn't been a functional part of the Democratic Party since Wellstone was killed in a plane crash, has been making as much noise as it can without money or access to "respectable" (large audience, lawyers on retainer) media. The Democratic establishment - having jettisoned the left, libertarian, and most of the liberal, decades ago - would have to reverse itself in public at the behest of disreputable bloggers, fringe pundits, ingrates it has been mocking and slandering for decades, at the same time as it pretzels itself attempting to pander to the "moderate Republican" voters its refugee NeverTrump and Bothsides and SawtheLight floor sweepings loudly proclaim exist in the millions - and after finally getting a few seats at the serious moolah table.

    Take Matt Taibbi's career arc, for example. The smart money is on his ending up de facto partnered with Greenwald and cashing in the last of his credibility analyzing the recent "polarization" of American politics by extremists on both sides (the Dems named and discussed individually, the Reps anonymous and never mentioned without mentioning the Dems) for Fox or CNN. And it's hard to blame him - it's not just the money and ease of life he can have for the ask, but the safety and security. There is no leftwingnut welfare to tide one's family over a loss of reputation or failure of enterprise. If attacked as Acorn was, or Rather, or that southern State governor who's still in jail, Taibbi might have to pay for his own lawyer and ride out years of unemployment. Lefties and liberals who gain reputation and audience via effective denigrations of rightwing authoritarian politics become targets of the planet's most effective slander and abuse operation, which will often co-opt one's former allies and supporters - James O'Keefe videos, the Dan Rather punking, Franken's and Keillor's banishments, were warnings as much as they were operations - while even a carefully calibrated and vaguely allusive defense of a "bothsides" meme on TV (a meme anyone personally targeted by a co-opted faction of the ostensibly Dem or tenured Left punditry might have genuine sympathy for) can earn a sufficiently effective and skilled media-smith guaranteed book sales and a desk at some congenial "independent" think tank.

    Taibbi's got kids, and good reason to mistrust his Demside compadres.

    Dem Party management has painted itself into a corner and doesn't want to rock the boat, so to speak. As a valuable rightwing authoritarian influence on the "other side", it might even be legally compromised and vulnerable to a serious investigation of these various voting frauds and manipulations itself (Sanders's fate in the primaries has never been really explained)
     
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  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    cause the centrist wing that runs the party is a bunch of pussys who are afraid to rock the boat
     
  13. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    so what do we do now that trumps supporters have stormed the capital and have fired bullets into the house chambers. can we final fucking admit that its not both sides
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I predicted this months ago.
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I would suggest that Americans start by taking a hard look at the right-wing media.

    While the motives of white supremacists and the like are obvious, some of those people storming the capital looked a lot like regular families to me. To get decent people to do something like that requires a programme of indoctrination and misinformation stretching over years, to instill a particular set of false beliefs. And, of course, that's exactly what one segment of the American media has provided, over years.
     
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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Freedom of the press does not include posting lies as truth. The Fifth Estate has been thoroughly corrupted.
    A very dangerous trend.
     
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  17. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    that will never happen. the right wing in this country never has to take responsibilty for anything they do
     
  18. river

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    To the OP , because they are uneducated and have no room for discussion , with others that disagree . Therefore become Absolutist . Therefore less tolerant to others who disagree . That is communism .
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    We are seeing that already. Trump supporters are blaming:

    -Antifa directly; they were "false flag actors" who were really Antifa that did all the rioting
    -Antifa and BLM for creating a "climate of violence"
    -Obama for "dividing the country"

    Etc etc. What a bunch of entitled, priviledged weasels.
     
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  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    So, one of the big jokes on Twitter, yesterday and today, has been about how divided Parler is, with one half blaming antifa while the other half post pictures and video from their adventures at the U.S. Capitol.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    OK, these are Obama's words;


    And these are McConnell's words;


    So who is the divider here?
     
  22. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    i don't think people get how dangerous this is. and unsuccessful coups are usually followed by more. if they are successful you have the most powerful country in the world militarily ruled by an authortarian who would install a party state that firmly believes it has the right to invade other countries at will. we should all be very very scared. we could be seeing the death of the american republic and that should scare everyone.
     

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