But I have seen you attribute non-cynical, stable, community oriented atheistic religion and philosophy to supposed hidden or "traditional" theistic influences. I have seen you confuse atheism with "materialism", absence of religion, absence of morality, cynicism, obnoxiousness, anger, etc. And I have seen you attribute overtly and flagrantly religion-motivated, even overtly theistic-religion-motivated, riots and atrocities and horrors to a variety of other causes. So I don't necessarily believe you - or most theistic believers - are aware, even, of all your "associations" with atheism. Nor do I believe you capable of accurately attributing events to "association with atheism" vs "association with theism". The victim blaming you see easily in others seems to be invisible to you within your own theistic beliefs. So when you say your experience with religion has always been one of community ties and happiness, I can only attribute this to reverse editing of your experience - you can't have missed out on all the experiences with religion that the rest of us have had, surely ? You can't be completely rewriting the news of the day and the histories of so many peoples and places to fit such an indefensible framework of analysis ? You start by confusing, consistently and throughout, theism with religion. You then attribute all morality to religion, and thus immorality to other influences - thus, all good to theistic influence, and bad to atheistic influence, given your identification of theism with religion and vice versa. That is not reasonable. You have had no more experience with religion than most older atheists here. You have had far less exposure to atheistic thought and approach than most atheists here of any age, and even less to areligious worldviews. You seem to believe that theistic religion is and has been the universal base of all human morality, as a matter of fact. That is not reasonable. And you end by throwing quite different approaches into one mislabeled "atheist" box - several of the atheists on this forum easily grant the value of religion to a community, for example. PS: took your cynic quizzes - scored identically to you.