Reason To be athiest?

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  1. RoadmapsToThere Registered Member

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    Im still in school and i speak to plenty of people and many of them say they are athiest. im not sure if this something that people use as an excuse to justify actions that religious authorities see as bad or a "sin". Do people these days say that they are athiest to seem cool and like a "rebel", to not be that religious kid. But yet when i look at people who say there is no god and religion is bullshit, i feel the need to ask them why are they wearing a cross on their necklace or on a bracelet because it looks cool.
    I want to know why people say they are athiest, because there are legit reasons to declare it but is it turely their opinion...?
     
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  3. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    Then ask them, I'm sure they will explain themselves and their views if you ask politely.
     
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  5. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    You might get more answers if people knew where you were coming from. I'd like to know which God you believe in and why?
     
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  7. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    For one, you mean 'atheist' not 'athiest'.

    It simply means they don't believe in any god. Given there are thousands of gods, this isn't surprising, followers of YHWH do not believe in Pan, Loki, Ganesh, or Qetzalcoatl. Believers in one god re atheist with respect to the others.

    Oh, and no we don't say we are atheists to escape religious dogma. We say it because we simply don't believe in any gods.
     
  8. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    For my part, I've never been given an adequate reason to believe in God. Your question assumes that belief in God is the right thing, and it's somehow strange or rebellious not to believe it. But we are born atheists, we have to be given reasons to accept something, like evidence. Most people don't know how evidence can be flawed, or how science works.
     
  9. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    A 'God' is not evident, plus the idea is self-contradictory.
     
  10. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    really? :bugeye:
     
  11. pluto2 Registered Senior Member

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    Because there is no evidence for any God plus the problem of evil in the world.
     
  12. Balerion Banned Banned

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    I'd like to echo the sentiment of "go ask them," because it would be interesting to hear from someone who is school-age what their reasons are. But since you asked us...

    I wouldn't say justification of "sin" is why someone claims to be an atheist. I would argue, however, that questioning those mandates is what helps lead to the realization that the stories they've been hearing are bogus.

    As for the cross medallions, it's just a fashion thing. I was even tempted to wear one, but didn't because even at 13 or 14, I didn't want to be confused for someone who believed in God.
     
  13. Merlijn curious cat Registered Senior Member

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    True
    In what way?
     
  14. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    You might need to separate their use of "atheist" as merely a label, and "atheist" as being a genuine position with regard their (lack of) belief in God.

    I.e. some people may use the label merely because they think it is somehow "cool", perhaps as a rebellious position against authority (e.g. if their parents are religious etc) rather than as a conscious thought process that leads them to conclude that they can not hold the belief that God exists.

    So you need to ask them why they are calling themself atheist, to see first if they really are, and if they are then to understand why they are.


    As for wearing religious items, there is nothing that stops an atheist wearing religious-based jewellery - as some may find religious images to be aesthetically pleasing etc.
    Or there may be some sentimental reason for wearing it.
    Basically wearing it doesn't necessarily mean you hold to the tenets of the religious beliefs.
     
  15. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Are you seriously doubting the spelling? FFS, Google it before embarrassing yourself!
     
  16. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    No, I'm not doubting the spelling. I'm wondering about someone anal enough to start an answer to a question with a spell check over 1 word
     
  17. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    It's simple. If someone takes a little time to research the subject, one will determine the correct spelling. So incorrect spelling implies the OP has done no research beforehand. Also, it is better to correct someone, than to let them carry on using the wrong spelling.
     
  18. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Complexities have parts preceding, so they can't be First and Fundamental, such as beings or Beings, all the more, that have a system of mind doing thinking, planning, designing, and creating.

    Either the base existents were of nothing or were around forever. 'Nothing' is not anything, including 'God', and stuff forever means no creation, and so not of a Creator, although stuff forever, not being from anything, is an incomplete notion that still amounts to From Nothing in the end, as that is what causeless would be.

    'God' is supposed to be everywhere, doing everything, but is seen nowhere, making the absence of evidence to be evidence of absence since its supposed to be everywhere. Only the natural is seen, and nothing beyond-, extra-, or supernatural.

    The complex composites are seen to go down the simpler and simpler, so, the actual prime mover would be the simplest state, which is in accord with the initial symmetry spoken about in physics. Look to the future for more highly evolved beings, as the past and the simpler is the complete wrong direction to expect to find some, even ultimate, complexity just sitting around as the First.
     
  19. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It's often values. People whom are atheists tend to value truth above how they feel. Religious claims of paranormal events and life forms are simply not true and a person who values truth highly is going to reject the false claims and thus the corresponding religion. That choice of course sacrifices the immediate experience of psychological / identity satiation that religion provides and that makes it difficult for some people.
     
  20. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    How so?
     
  21. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    I put it just two posts back.

    In addition to that, in the Intelligent Design idea, which still means ‘God’, not our construction by aliens, the proponents say that Life must precede life, making it, but then instantly throw away this ‘great’ template, no longer insisting on it, such as that Life would then all of the sudden not require LIFE behind it. So, faulty analysis goes nowhere, either ever just adding more contradictions.
     
  22. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Can you define nothing, or does it lack one? I don't see your point.
     
  23. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing is the lack of anything: no stuff, no laws, no anything. Since we run up against this nonexistence often, we give it thought, else it probably wouldn't get much thought at all. Any way around it?
     

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