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i have been wishing that for once you would stop running your ignorant mouth,
but it appears to be wishful thinking.
all you do is instigate or create arguments, then scream troll.
it's massively pathetic and annoying.
why are you even still allowed to post.
Us and Them
Us, and them
And after all we're only ordinary men.
Me, and you.
God only knows it's noz what we would choose to do.
Forward he cried from the rear
and the front rank died.
And the general sat and the lines on the map
moved from side to side.
Black and blue
And who knows which is which and who is who.
Up and down.
But in the end it's only round and round.
Haven't you heard it's a battle of words
The poster bearer cried.
Listen son, said the man with the gun
There's room for you inside.
"I mean, they're not gunna kill ya, so if you give 'em a quick short,
sharp, shock, they won't do it again. Dig it? I mean he get off
lightly, 'cos I would've given him a thrashing - I only hit him once!
It was only a difference of opinion, but really...I mean good manners
don't cost nothing do they, eh?"
Down and out
It can't be helped but there's a lot of it about.
And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about?
Out of the way, it's a busy day
I've got things on my mind.
For the want of the price of tea and a slice
The old man died.
You still manage to suggest a conspiracy exists.
Yes, linking to the same post that you claim is ridiculous in order to support that claim... wonderful thinking from someone who holds themself in such high esteem.
If you provide answers that I find incomprehensible and unrelated to the questions, and you refuse to provide clarification when asked but merely attempt to mock, ridicule and express your claimed superior intellect, how is the matter to proceed?
Or is your purpose at this site just to laugh and mock everyone you consider to be of inferior intellect?
Then it begs the question why you bother to commune here, if not to fulfill some narcissistic need.
So much better for the rest of us mere mortals.
I don't have any comment on Undefined/RCs case, but a moderator is unlikely to help you at all if it's a fellow moderator who insults you, with some exceptions. Some of the more ethical ones will step in to prevent unfair bans, or at least to police threads and troublesome mod trolling, but that's as far as it goes these days. If there are exceptions to that, I'd like to hear from them.
If you feel you have been wronged by a moderator, you are, as always, welcome to bring it to the supermods or admins... whinging about it in the forums is unlikely to get you anywhere except an infraction or ban, as:
this whole pile of word nonsense you just wrote is evidence that you can not even conceive thinking.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
[Jim Downey,final part of the academic decathlon in the movie Billy Madison.]
please show where this occurred during the conversation ?
the problem in my opinion is you think there's some kind of coded meaning to my words,
when in fact,
they mean exactly what they are supposed to mean.
it's that simple.
but instead of stopping and thinking, like i keep on insisting,
you want to rant and rave and scream troll.
this does occur from time to time.
actually i have been having this thought again recently.
Trippy, somehow or another, I must have messed up when I Edited that Post, Prior to Posting it.
This is what I, dmoe, was actually trying to say :
Trippy, when a Member "Report's" a Post, isn't the Post itself the "Primary Evidence" that any Administrator/Moderator can examine to Objectively Observe and determine the validity of any "Alleged Violation"?
It would seem that if the "Primary Evidence" was objectively perceived and determined NOT to be whatever was "alleged" in that "Report", then the "Reported" Post would NOT be "Deleted".
Since that "Reported" Post was "Deleted", I thought that it meant that that Post was indeed determined to be in "Violation" of whatever was "Alleged" in the "Report".
Trippy, I was trying to clearly state that although I concurred with all of Undefined's stated objective observations, my experience when utilizing the "Report" Button, However, had produced a Result.
Trippy, may I inquire as to how you perceived that I, dmoe, "still manage(d) to suggest a conspiracy exists."?
DMOE - thing is, mods, supermods, and admins can see deleted posts.
Thank you Kittamaru, I appreciate your candidness.
How much 'confirmation biased' reading of the record can you produce, Bells? It's obvious you are biased and uninformed as to the FULL facts and events-timeline if you come up with such usual self-serving WRONG assessment/commentary which suit your prejudice and ignores the victim's justifiable complaints because the data set of facts behind those complaints doesn't suit your pre-judged self-serving reaction.
I got that 'second chance' from James R BECAUSE I PROVED VIA EXPERIMENT that RealityCheck was VICTIMIZED and FRAMED for permabanning by the PROVEN MOD-TROLL GANG's tactics of baitings, personalizing, trolling, cluttering and otherwise SABOTAGING my threads/discussions to 'accumulate' infractions from COLLUDING MODS who then used that MOD-TROLL COLLUSION CREATED 'infractions record' to ban RealityCheck.
That collusion between mod-troll gang was PROVEN, and yet even after I was allowed back IT CONTINUED, albeit more 'circumspectly' so as not to be too blatant and again attract the ire of James R.
So when you say it was I that continued to misbehave, you conveniently leave out the FACT that it was the mod-trolls who misbehaved and banned me, and they still misbehaved even when I was given a second chance by James R.
Got that past your BIAS BLINKERS, Bells? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
And FYI, Bells, I tried to post/discuss legitimate hypotheses BUT they still trolled me and sabotaged and broke all the rules!
And what has happened, YOU and OTHER conveniently blind or misinformed of plain stupidly-led-to-believe the LIES and TRUMPED UP 'frames' and 'infractions' from those troll-mods responsible to cover their ABUSES and ANTI-SCIENCE DISCOURSE tactics/bans agenda. Which is why you and others not fully aware of what had been going on, NOW UNSCIENTIFICALLY and UNINFORMED, pretend to be in any reality-based position to make all sorts of uninformed and wrong-headed assumptions and assessments about ME, while you let the facts about the PROVEN troll-mod frame-ups and bannings and lies slide by under your 'objectivity radar'?
Again, Bells: What is it about the fact that it was PROVEN TROLL-MOD tactics and abuses that has 'framed' much of what your 'impression' is about the VICTIM in this case that you don't understand and take pause to consider before jumping on the LIES bandwagon constructed by the mod-trolls responsible over time?
Have you no objectivity and integrity left at all after your power-stint as mod? Or is such OBVIOUSLY MISINFORMED and PREJUDICIALLY MOTIVATED self-serving confirmation-biased 'assessments', which blame the victim and let the troll-mod perpetrators off the hook, AGAIN, all you have left to offer as a 'mod' and/or 'observer' who is obviously one-eyed when it comes to YOUR OWN and OTHER MODS and MOD-PROTECTED/COLLUDING TROLLS misbehaviour and abuse of power/position for personal ego-tripping and banning agendas?
Take a step away from the mod-power source, and reconsider your own faults and infractions and 'conributions' to the making of the scandalous troll-mod gang situation which has been the CAUSE of the victim complaints. Stop blaming the victim, or you will be in company with the Catholic and other religious types who have used that 'blame the victim' ploy to evade/delay RETRIBUTION for their own actions/inactions against all decency and fairness rules.
Oh, and if you read correctly, I ONLY asked you if you implied/guaranteed the other mods did NOT do 'tracking' abuse of power/position like the mod you mentioned. I did NOT say or imply they DO. So your 'defense' against your OWN mis-inference from what was written there is VERY telling of the conscious guilt which your subconscious is engendering in you and other mods. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Yes, when all trust is LOST in the troll-mod-controlled/influenced forum which you and Trippy et al still try to hypocritically 'rationalize' your way out of aknowledging to yourselves by blaming your victims, then what are any and all protestations/guaranteess worth when they issue from the very same mod-troll types whose actions and abuses have brought this site into disrepute, caused the complaints avalanche which has culiminated in such threads as these (because PMs to 'the system' were not able to remedy the problem), and hence produced the very MISTRUST in that 'system' which has obviously been over-run and otherwise 'captured' so that it is useless and self-evidently and PROVEN UNtrustworthy as it stands.
Hence my suggestion that all current mods be let go, and all prospective new mods carefully screened and examined to ensure they have no TAINT from thr old forum mafia gang MOD-troll types/legacies which have been a recipe for disaster for any site allowing them to intimidate/sabotage and otherwise PREVENT free and open science and humanity discourse by VICTIMIZING and BANNING all those who resist or expose the EXPERIMENTALLY PROVEN troll-mod behaviour/culprits.
No amount of 'usefulness' to keep the spammers/crazies under control is worth the banning of genuine and innocent victims on a science-humanity discussion site! Let them go, James R. Start fresh, mate! That's the only way to cut through this "Gordian Knot' of a situation. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Bells, I no longer trust PM 'conversations' which occur 'behind the scenes' and allow for misinterpretations and cover-us etc. That is why all this is being posted IN THE OPEN FORUM for all to read, research, consider fully and judge for themselves.
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Reality Check, let me be clear:
Either discuss topics worth discussion, or quit breaking the damned rules (yes, complaining about moderator action in public forum is BREAKING THE RULES).
You claim to be innocent - PROVE IT. Carry on some good discussion - if people troll it, REPORT THEM.
If you don't trust the PM Conversations and closed-door moderator forum, well you know what - there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out, because you are essentially saying you don't agree with the very foundations of this forum... we aren't going to change the entire method by which this forum is governed and has been for years because a handful of people prefer to complain about every action taken instead of actually do what these forums were set up for.
EDIT - for that matter, let me be even more clear - we, the moderators, CANNOT and WILL NOT change the rules, nor the purpose of the forum. That is set by the Administration and the Owners. We are here to enforce the rules and standards THEY have set down.
Don't like it? Take it up with them.
Is there a forum page where one would go to discuss mental health sciences? I'm curious about this thing I've heard of called "borderline personality disorder". It's kind of weird because it's got passive-aggressive, persecution complex, grandiose ideation, obsessive-compulsive, and narcissistic symptoms all rolled up in one disorder.
Has any ever heard of this or know anything about it?
Trying to turn the issue around on the victim again, Kitta? Shame on you for that tactic, again.
You ignore the obvious implications of UNSCRUPULOUS troll-mod types having access/power to abuse their position/access for personal agendas (as PROVEN ALREADY BY EXPERIMENT), and just default to cheap evasive 'turn it back onto the victim' ploys to evade facing unpleasant facts about your 'colleagues' whom you really know NOTHING about personally except the lies and cons they have 'influenced you into believing' so you would trust their word over the word and PROVEN EVIDENCE presented by their victims.
You are obviously UNFIT to comment on any of this matter concerning my record and the record of the PROVEN mod-trolls going back years! So best shut up and let it go while you are still able to use the defense of "I didn't know all the facts" as an excuse for your recent prejudicial and partially-informed commentary and pinions/actions in this matter. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Before going, I will ask you what I asked Bells above: What is it about PROVEN TROLL-MOD COLLUSION and UNSCRUPULOUS ABUSE OF POWER/POSITION in order to sabotage, frame and ban RealityCheck in the first place, and continued troll-mod banning agenda harassment/spoiling etc since then, do you not understand, Kitta?
I have no more time or energy to keep repeating what has ALREADY BEEN PROVEN MORE THAN ONCE even BEFORE the present discussion here, and well before you ever got dragged into defending the INDEFENSIBLE troll-mod abuses which have led to all this sorry scandal for this site.
Again, the only way is for James R to "Cut the Gordian Knot" and let all present mods go. Then start fresh with properly vetted new mods who can prove they have NO 'taint' of all the mod-troll gang influence/scandals attached to them that has been PROVEN by experiment more than once now. Act like true objective scientists and not a club of idiotic bullies on power trips who are unscrupulous enough to collude and sabotage and victimize for personal ego/agenda reasons that have no connection to scientific discourse on the merits as opposed to the person/source.
Anyone who STILL can't honestly and objectively read and understand all that I have pointed out to you as PREVIOUSLY PROVEN by experiment etc, then you are not fit to moderate a kindergarten, let alone a true science-humanity discourse site. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
No hard feelings. Nothing personal. It's the principle of the thing: justice and fairness and objective modding, no more, no less than that should be acceptable here or anywhere and no 'excuses' or hypocritical 'rationalizations' for the contrary should be entertained for even the briefest instant by any trully objective intellect/scientist/observer/commentator. Good luck, Kitta!
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Yes, everything but admitting to the proven-via-experiment abuses of power by the troll-mods which are the root cause of all these complaints from their victims who are conveniently framed and blamed as part of the diversion from CULPABILITY of those PROVEN perpetrators.
How you or people like you trolls and ego-trippers can tell yourself with a straight face that you are 'scientists' or 'objective' is surely the great mystery yet to be properly studied by psychologists. Lame-brained and proud of it, hey troll?
I was lambasted by trolls like you for cautioning against accepting at face value those recent BICEP2 team's papers/claims because I saw immediately obvious flaws in assumtions/interpretations, methodology and systemics. These same trolls soon went very quiet and rationalized their comments away to themselves, but have yet to apologize to me for their outrageous trolling calling me 'crank' etc for noticing right away those flaws which mainstreamers soon after confirmed were there!
It makes no difference to the lies and frames you collude and are complicit/happy to perpetuate about those who have been BETTER and more OBJECTIVE scientist than you troll-idiots who pretend to speak for mainstream and call EVERYONE whom you don't like a 'crank'...even when they are CORRECT and you WRONG. You and your gang-mentality troll-mod types are worse than useless to mainstream science, because you bring dishonour and mistrust upon those REAL scientist's reputation who DO follow the rules and not pretend to know better when they don't.
Good luck with your trolling lies, mate! They will come back to bite you soon enough; to the enjoyment of those you have wronged. Poetic justice. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Bye, troll.
Are you this far gone and dense, Kitta? Haven't you been paying attention?
The system does NOT WORK. It has been PROVEN NOT TO WORK. that is why THESE COMPLAINT THREADS have been allowed by Admin, so that the complaints CAN BE aired in open forum and no longer buried or framed 'in a back room' by those very troll-mods responsible for all the complaints.
If you STILL don't understand this patent fact, and again default to HIDING BEHIND 'the rules' that HAVE FAILED MISERABLY already (or we wouldn't be having any of these conversations!), then you have already lost the plot and are of no use whatsoever to anyone, let alone the VICTIMS of systemic failures that have led to all this.
STOP being a sticker for the rules when it suits, while ignoring all the rule-breaking by the very troll-mods which have brought this site to this sorry pass in the first place. It is being HYPOCRITICAL to tell someone to 'follow the rules' for complaints, when the system is stacked against the victim and abused by troll-mods proven to have created most of the problems and complaints which victims have HAD to bring out into the open because the system as YOU 'profess' so lamely now has failed. OBVIOUSLY.
Frankly, I have alreday withdrawn mostly from internet posting (except for this loose end here), so it's for YOUR and this site's benefit I have made the comments/suggestion for James R to consider dispassionately as Admin. Understand? Your subtle framing and implied threats banning is of no significance whatsoever when the principle of the thing is being discussed and observed as I have for your info. What you do with that, and what you keep 'believing' or not is your own affair. It has no bearing on the facts or my life/work outside this site.
When mod-trolls abuse their power and engage in lying, framing, sabotaging again and again, it doesn't seem to figure in your 'threats' of action against them. But you take the easy route and accuse and frame the victim instead. Nasty, and beneath you. Your spouse must be horrified with the hypocritical and self-serving corrupted-ego crap you've been offering as excuses lately. I hope for your sake she never sees it!
Good luck, Kitta. A pity you went the way of the troll-mod so quickly. Just goes to show how power and influence by corrupt gangs can send even you astray so readily. That's humans for you, unless they watch out carefully for just such pitfalls as you've obviously fallen in so willingly and carelessly. Goodbye. No hard feelings. Just the principle of the thing. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Wow RC, did I do all that? Did I do it in one day or did it take me awhile? I don't believe I was talking to you when I made that post. But I do thank you for letting me know all the things I'm guilty of.
These real scientists you speak of, the ones that can't be found around here, are they all like you? If I were a real scientist, you would be the last person I would think of emulating. As a matter of fact, I've never seen a real scientist ever quite like you. Most of them are much more balanced and secure in their person.
Anyway, I don't think my comment was addressed to you. It's telling that it drew such a hyperbolic response though. I had no idea I had done all those things. Consider yourself reported for the personal attack in response to a general comment.
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