Q: Why does Islam call Jews & Christians non-believers [Infidels]?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by IamJoseph, Oct 9, 2010.

  1. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    This issue has always seemed ridiculous. The Jews have been monotheist the longest time and encountered existential battles to defend it, while Muslims have only recently assumed monotheism. I wonder what criteria applies for this false charge - it surely cannot be based on revelation derived by a person or name. Any clues?
     
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  3. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Because Jews believe that those who are not Jews cannot enter Heaven.

    Because Christians believe that those who are not Christian cannot enter heaven.

    Because Islamists/Muslims believer that those who are not Islamist/Muslim cannot enter heaven.

    I really don't see the mystery here.
     
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  5. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    well, negative into negative does come out positive...
     
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  7. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    How come you don't mention all the Jewish fanatics who do the same thing, criticizing other peoples and sometimes even calling for their heads? What makes them any better than Islamic fanatics? And on that subject, at least an Islamic fanatic will let you convert to Islam even if you're as white as a Viking. Jewish fanatics don't seem to offer that option, you're either born Jewish or you're not. What's up with that? What are all the gentiles supposed to do, then, besides praying to God for "better" DNA all day?
     
  8. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Incorrect. A person can convert to Judaism.
     
  9. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Not in any sect recognized by the Israeli government. Sure there are more liberal sects, especially in the west, where you're free to do that, but it would be like converting to Mormonism and then expecting the Catholic Church to accept you as a full-blooded Christian. If you're not Jewish and you want to get married to a Jew from Israel, convert to Judaism and gain Israeli citizenship, there's no legal guarantee you can do that unless you know the right rabbi to bribe.
     
  10. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Again, this is incorrect.

    I don't know where you're getting your misinformation, but it is mis.
     
  11. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    You are exposing yourself - to redicule. Even if what you say is true, it does not accout for why Islam should refer to those who declare themselves to be monotheist as unbelievers.

    And why you equate "EQUAL RIGHTS TO THE STRANGER AS THE INHABITANT'; 'THEREFORE YOU SHALL LOVE [RESPECT] THE STRAGER'; 'ONLY THE SOUL THAT SINS IT SHALL PAY' - with 'ITS A BLESSING TO KILL THE UNBELIEVERS' - remains a mystery. Please show where the Hebrew bible makes the claim you have accused it of - only Jews go to heaven!?

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  12. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    The Israeli Govt is the world's most rightious one in Geo-History, despite being emersed in a sea of unrightious regimes panting for her demise - with no reasonable premise other than Islamist Nazism disguised as rights of the Pretend Pals. Israel became the world's greatest democrasy in record time compared to any other country. The infidel claim is hardly vested in the Israeli/Arab conflict - it predates this by 1,500 years; this is also seen when all the claims upon Israel today were non-existant in 1948, when the Arab regimes attacked with a declared goal of genocide. Nor are Jews the only ones accused of being infidels: Islam massacred some 70 Million Hindus when it invaded India - it claimed the hindus were infidels and a blessing to kill..
     
  13. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

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    A 'believer' is one who believes what God has revealed- anyone who rejects it is not a believer....

    You can't be a believer if you only accept 1/3 of the revelation.. Its quite simple. Because rejecting 2/3 of it is what made you into non-believer.

    So is Satan a believer? He was (prior to downfall) better than all of us combined.. Its what he rejected that led to his downfall. Don't tell me you think Satan is not a monotheist. If there is anyone who is a monotheist before all of these religions it was Satan. But he is still a 'nonbeliever'.
     
  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    No. Rejecting our texts only means he's a believer in something else.

    Believer/unbeliever talk. What a load of horseshit.
     
  15. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    OK, now please tell what is the stuff Jews don't believe that is possessed with Islam?

    I don't believe in satan - only satanic deeds:

    ONLY THE SOUL THAT SINS IT SHALL PAY.
     
  16. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    I suspect Islam is leaning only on a self preferred and self interested NAME. Islam gave the world no laws and there is no such thing as Islamic Law.
     
  17. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    no he is right and even than only one group works. if your not orthodox Israel is loathe to extend its benefits to you reform and conservative jews aren't always jewy enough for Israel
     
  18. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    If you deflect from the thread, at least be credible: Muslim Israeli Arabs are members of Israel's parlaiment and get better rights than in their own regime states. Jews are "ILLEGALLY" barred from even entering a host of regime states, which were created 100 years ago and have no historicity.

    Now please tell us what laws or premisies not followed which make Jews as infidels. Understand the question? :shrug:
     
  19. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    No I don't. like usual no sane person can make a fucks load of sense of what you said. I'm totally confused how your responding to the post.

    this is the bast guess to answer your question
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/infidel
     
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    You missed Mormonism - so you're 3/4 not 3/3.

    You can't be a believer if you only accept 3/4 of the revelation.. Its quite simple. Because rejecting 1/4 of it is what made you into non-believer.
     
  21. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    Your a coward pointing me to a dictionary. It means you have no answer and the Islamic doctrines are based on racism and hatred. Otherwise you would clearly and specifically respond to such an important issue which is vested in your scriptures. After all it is the question of the thread. Do you even know why!?
     
  22. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    How much stolen land is enough for Muslims? Jews, to my knowledge, have never occupied another peoples' lands ever - not in their entire 4000 year history, despite being dispersed across the nations.

    Why are Jews forbidden in Jordan - which is 100% historical and legal Jewish land? IMO, this is perpetrated by European Christianity and constitutes a crime against humanity. But who is judging Europe and Islam - there is no Nuremberg 11 trial on the radar. I say, mighty Rome was bigger than Christianity and Islam combined. Judge can be subtle and mysterious for those who keep silent of such repeated crimes.

     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    Because dictionaries are bad?...

    Why is anyone a coward for daring to point you to a dictionary so that you can actually look up the real meaning of words instead of what you've pulled out of your twisted little beliefs?


    So because he points you to a dictionary that gives you the exact definition, you consider that to be a bad thing?

    Tell me something IamJoseph, what is your answer to the term Gentile or Goy when used in the context such as with "The King's Torah", by Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira?
     

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