Putin propagates hateful gay stereotype

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  1. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    Do you seriously believe that the clownish depictions of sexual behavior in these parades are significant fodder for erotic stimulation of viewers of any age? Such rare experiences are dwarfed by the accessibility of real and virtual sexual imagery available daily to most adults and children.

    Maybe we should restrict access to these objects of sexual obsession as well.
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    So your problem is that it is their sexuality 'on display' more than anything.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Despite what is depicted on various right wing websites and FOX News reports, sexuality is not the sole focus of gay pride parades. Some of them are downright pedestrian (i.e. the "God loves queers" section of the San Diego pride parade.)
     
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  7. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    I guess that would justify violent riots?
     
  8. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    This is an amazingly ignorant argument. Nothing about nuns is overtly sexual, and if nuns turn you on, that is your own paraphilia.
     
  9. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Who said anything about "erotic stimulation of viewers of any age", you pervert? And do you honestly assume, what, that all objects of paraphilia are somehow inherently sexual?

    Paraphilia describes the experience of intense sexual arousal to atypical objects, situations, or individuals. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia

    If it is overt.

    "Section" of the pride parade? Why only a "section"?
     
  10. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently this guy did.
    They obviously are to some people. Does this explain why a gay man exposing his penis leads to teen pregnancy?

    Wouldn’t you consider viewing exposed genitals at a gay pride parade an atypical situation for most people?
     
  11. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Again, who said anything about "erotic stimulation of viewers of any age", you pervert? Nothing about overtly sexual behavior teaching children that such is acceptable presumes stimulation, only that it is acceptable and perhaps even expected when they become sexually mature or interested. It is about teaching it as a norm of expression, by example, to impressionable young minds.

    That you would equate lessons about sexual behavior with sexual stimulation is disturbing. Do you also assume sex-ed is "erotic stimulation"?

    You obviously cannot read. I said "inherent" which is not dependent upon the proclivities of "some people". Overtly sexual behavior is an example young adults will emulate.

    Nudity is not an atypical object of sexual arousal. Work on that reading comprehension.
     
  12. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    What exactly did they teach you in sex ed? Unless you’re the product of artificial insemination, there was likely the usual element of eroticism involved in your conception.

    If there wasn’t something inherently unique to those objects they wouldn’t be relevant to the obsession.

    So if you were to parade down the street exposing your genitals, would you expect bystanders to approach to engage in sexual intercourse? Or, have you ever been lucky enough to encounter a young woman parading topless down a street willing to engage in sex with you? Do you really think emulating such behaviors are common or effective methods used to establish sexual relationships?

    But for children to witness and be aroused by it in a gay pride parade is.
     
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  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    What wrong with nudity in front of children? I was thinking Putin meant gays rape children, not that their gay pride parades was damaging to children's psyche!

    I think the problem here is the idea that children should be kept in ignorance of sex for as long a possible, why?
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    How exactly does one make one's sexuality overt?

    How do gays overtly display their sexuality in a way that is different to heterosexual people?

    Do you think that if someone sees a boob or a penis, then if they are seen by a young adult, they will immediately strip down and have sex or something?

    You make no sense.

    Or do you think children do not experiment with sex and even their own bodies through masturbation, etc?

    Or do you think if a boob or penis is flashed or if someone wears skimpy underwear or bathing suit on a mardi gras float, then young people will also want to strip down and dance to music while wearing wild and bright costumes?

    Do you think if young adults visit some parts of Asia, where some of the religious temples are decorated in "overt sexual displays" that they will immediately drop their pants and start having sex? What about if they visit some of the religious churches and cathedrals and art galleries in Europe, where many of the artwork is "overtly sexual"?

    To reiterate, Syne, you can't catch gay. If someone sees a gay person's sexual bits, it won't make them gay.
     
  15. radon Banned Banned

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    Why is there an indecent exposure law ?

    More to the point . If you have a 10 year old daughter would it be agreeable with you to have sex or be exposed to sexual activity ?
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Because people are prudes?

    I don't think I would have a problem with her knowing of it, or seeing it on occasion, she going to see crazy shit eventually and it would be best if I'm their to teach her context and how to deal with it.

    "Dad, faggots are screwing on the sidewalk again!"
    "Oh see Dipshit (That the name I have picked out for my future daughter) they are allowed to do that every since they got equal rights, all the fears of the Christians were right and gays just fuck publicly all over the place now, usually in front of wholesome heterosexual couples with kids just like us.. now Dipshit be a dear and get me my crack pipe, dad needs his fix."
     
  17. radon Banned Banned

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    I suppose our views are different . If we are majority we create such laws and the law should be respected . It does not mean you have right to expose yourself and your family , that is why there are some designated nudity camps.
     
  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Majority of people once made slavery legal, burning of heretics, etc, etc, what the majority of people want is not necessarily right simply because it is the majority opinion (appeal to popularity). Sure the law should be respect on so far as not to go to jail, but nudist colonies exist for those that find fault with just vain laws.

    Legally within my own house I could walk around naked in front of my kids.
     
  19. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    I certainly was not "stimulated". Most young adults find sex-ed a bit embarrassing or funny, being taught by an adult. If your teacher "aroused" you that would seem to be a personal issue, and if intentional, could be legally actionable.

    You really have no clue.

    in·her·ent
    1.
    existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute.

    How does someone's personal obsession add "a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute" to an object? If everyone does not agree that an object has said quality than it is not an inherent quality. Period.

    Crack a dictionary.

    What the fuck are you on about? Who said ANYTHING about emulating the exact behavior (i.e. nudity in a parade) to "establish sexual relationships"?

    First, overtly sexual behavior is not solely limited to nudity, as I have previous cited bump-and-grinding, etc.. Second, overt sexual behavior can be seen as a norm by the young and impressionable, which can lead women to view themselves as solely sexual objects, among other things.

    If you thing people viewing themselves as sexual objects is an effective method for establishing healthy sexual relationships, then again, that sounds like a personal problem.

    Again, who said anything about child arousal (except you, of course)? Pervert.

    Nudity is not necessarily overtly sexual. No need for children to be kept ignorant either, especially as they start becoming sexually mature, but their exposure should be reasonably monitored. I mean, most people do not think porn is appropriate sex-ed, because is depicts unrealistic and risky behavior.

    Who said "different"? Simulating sex is obviously overt, and heterosexuals do not generally have parades celebrating their sexuality.

    You sick pervert! Again, like Capracus, why do you leap to the assumption that emulation would require immediate sexual arousal?

    Perverts!

    Masturbation is typically private, hence not overt.

    Again, why assume immediate sexual arousal, pervert? Can you really just not imagine anything between completely innocuous and complete depraved? I am talking about behavior the impressionable may see as a norm, and latter emulate.

    Straw man. Who said anything about "catching" gay?
     
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  21. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    What does that have to do with the price of cheese? I can walk around naked in from of my kids and I can choose to press charges or not on anyone the flashes by kids, etc, etc, (assuming I would have kids or for starters have sex consistently with women and without money being involved.)

    Some pornos, some pornos teach that even fat obese people wear condoms, at least when fudge packing (got to keep clean, right?) or what ever fold their violating. So it all depends on the porno. But yes children should be taught that nudity is not sexual, but normal, that their is nothing taboo about their bodies... and how to inject smack into dad's arm at his request.
     
  22. Bells Staff Member

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    What exactly does simulating sex have to do with homosexuals and parades?

    I'm not the one obsessing about simulating sex in front of children and connecting it for some reason or other, to homosexuals. You are. Perhaps you can explain how and what homosexuals have to do with simulating sex in front of children?
    What does their sexuality have to do with anything?

    Okay. So why are you suggesting that it is somehow overt when it comes to homosexuals?

    And once again, you are the only person saying that young adults will emulate it if they see it and you are connecting it and blaming it on homosexuals and you have been the only person obsessing about simulating sex in front of and with people who look like children, no one else has. Perhaps you can explain yourself?

    Oh I can. But I have my doubts that you can answer the question honestly. You have consistently argued about what you constitute as homosexual behaviour in public and how it constitutes a danger to children and young adults. I and others would just like you to explain your obsession instead of trying to dodge the questions.

    Actually, you have been arguing it for a while now.
     
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  23. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Straw man arguments do not warrant reply.
     

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