Putin propagates hateful gay stereotype

Fascists are always dragging in the excuse of protecting children to legitimize their tyrranical oppression of minorities. Gays are thus regularly painted as child molesters or spreaders of propaganda to justify their continued persecution and marginalization.

Looks like a blast. Someday I may make it out there and see it.

 

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We already have laws against that. So again, what are you bitching about?

You're the one that posted them to prove gays are all sex perverts. Once again, how does a few pics of a few exposed people at a gay parade make any kind of statement about gays in general? And once again, I could do the same with Mardi Gras and claim the same thing about heterosexuals. But I'm not the one pushing hateful stereotypes.

Yes..between genes, intrauterine hormones, epigenetics, and combinations of the same, no one is sure why a person develops a particular orientation. But they have definitely ruled out family environment. IOW, it's biologically caused. Let's read it again shall we?

however, biologically-based theories for the cause of sexual orientation are favored by experts, which point to genetic factors, the early uterine environment, or both in combination. There is no substantive evidence which suggests parenting or early childhood experiences play a role when it comes to sexual orientation; when it comes to same-sex sexual behavior, shared or familial environment plays no role for men and minor role for women. While some hold the view that homosexual activity is unnatural, research has shown that homosexuality is an example of a normal and natural variation in human sexuality and is not in and of itself a source of negative psychological effects. Most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation. There is insufficient evidence to support the use of psychological interventions to change sexual orientation."---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

 

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We also have general laws about indecency, so what are you bitching about? Most municipalities regulate overtly sexual behavior in front of children. Any reason to exempt a gay parade?

I posted them to show that some laws about public sexual behavior are warranted. Do you disagree?

A "favored cause" is by no means conclusive, else there would be a consensus (the lack of which you are now omitting from that quote).

 

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And I have corrected that.

Heterosexuality is an evolutionary necessity for the perpetuation of our species, so the science is much more conclusive.

No, homophobes may use them as an excuse for their behavior, but such laws do not make more people homophobes nor directly encourage such violence.

Really? Posting those images a grand total of TWICE is "prancing those images about"? Whatever. Again, I have already added a warning, on your say that minors do read and post here.

So simulated sex in front of your children is perfectly acceptable? Where do you draw the line? What about simulated sex with someone who appears underage?

All of those images come up for a search of "gay pride parade", and two of them even come up if I have the explicit content filter enabled.

No, it does not automatically follow that no consensus on one necessarily means no consensus on the other. Again, evolution necessitates heterosexuality for the perpetuation of our species. No heterosexuality, no perpetuation of a gender binary species.

 

What, are you worried that 5-year-old Dick is going to knock up 4-yeay-old Jane?

Don’t let children see you take prescription drugs, drive a car, or shoot a gun; otherwise they might get the idea that those too are acceptable activities for children.

In reality evolution necessitates everything that exists, including heterosexual activities such as masturbation, contraception, abortion, war, murder and genocide, none of which make a positive contribution to the perpetuation of our species. On the other hand most homosexual men and women are quite capable of engaging in the direct or indirect process of insemination for the purpose of procreation.

 

I wasn't aware people at gay parades WERE exempt from indecency laws. Do you have some evidence for this? Or you just bitching about gay people for the fun of it?

I have no objection against laws about sexual behavior. How did you assume I did?

Science knows the cause is biological and not family environment or childhood experiences as you have ignorantly argued for in the past. Is it really so hard to admit you're wrong?

 

Putin says that some of his best friends are gay.

 

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The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and National Association of Social Workers stated in 2006:

"Currently, there is no scientific consensus about the specific factors that cause an individual to become heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual—including possible biological, psychological, or social effects of the parents' sexual orientation. However, the available evidence indicates that the vast majority of lesbian and gay adults were raised by heterosexual parents and the vast majority of children raised by lesbian and gay parents eventually grow up to be heterosexual."​

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- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#General​

There is a preponderance of heterosexuals, even raised by gay and lesbian parents, and this fact is validated by evolutionary necessity, where homosexuality only has tenuous hypotheses for an evolutionary use.

The authors of a 2008 study stated "there is considerable evidence that human sexual orientation is genetically influenced, so it is not known how homosexuality, which tends to lower reproductive success, is maintained in the population at a relatively high frequency". - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Evolutionary_perspectives​

And from your link:

Rice's model still needs to be tested on real-life parent-offspring pairs, but he says this epigenetic link makes more sense than any other explanation, and that his team has mapped out a way for other scientists to test their work.

"We've found a story that looks really good," he says. "There's more verification needed, but we point out how we can easily do epigenetic profiles genome-wide. We predict where the epi-marks occur, we just need other studies to look at it empirically. This can be tested and proven within six months. It's easy to test. If it's a bad idea, we can throw it away in short order." - http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...finally-unlocked-puzzle-of-why-people-are-gay​

And if it does prove to be epigenetic:

Drescher is skeptical that scientists will ever uncover a single biological basis for homosexuality—he suspects the root causes are more varied and complex—and suggests that it’s the wrong question to ask in the first place. ... If homosexuality is truly biological, discrimination against gay people is bigotry, plain and simple. But if it’s a birth defect, as Blanchard’s work tacitly suggests, then being gay is something that can—and presumably should—be fixed.

That’s a toxic view, and one that must be abandoned. We might not yet understand the exact biological mechanisms underlying sexual orientation, but we will one day soon. And if, at that point, homosexuality is seen as a disorder, the next step will be a search for a cure. - http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...ty_the_fraternal_birth_order_explanation.html​

Epigenetics could provide the strongest option for choice.

Seems to be an evasion of the question. I asked if you thought it was acceptable, not whether you did it.

You keep evading the question of where you draw the line on sexual behavior appropriate in front of children. That you feel you need to make unseemly innuendo to continue doing so may illustrate your own moral/ethical flexibility on the issue. IOW, it says more about you to evade the question than it does of me using extreme examples to provoke an answer (to what should be a very simple ethical issue).

And nowhere have I equated pedophilia with homosexuality, not even mentioning sex with children.

Really? So instead of answering ethically pertinent questions you choose to imply that I may be a pedophile or homosexual?

A reductionist view is not a foregone conclusion in science.

Yes, you do seem to have repeated trouble distinguishing a question from an assertion. Here is a hint > ?

Again > ?

So "favored cause" is now conclusive scientific fact? :bugeye:

 

Welcome to Fremont, Blame it on Rio

I've said it before and I'll say it again: When the police tried to crack down on nude bicyclists and other "shocking" behavior at the Solstice Parade, the people of Seattle did object. The Solstice Parade is a great event for the kids, in many parents' minds, and what would be objectionable was not the nude bicyclists and spangly hedonism, but the idea of their kids seeing cops chasing down naked hippies on bicycles.

Tell it to Seattle, then. Better yet, blame it on Rio.

 

Again, where did I say gay parades should be exempt from decency laws OR that some laws about sexual behavior are not warranted? And why did you even post those pics in a thread about propagating hateful stereotypes about gay people? Are you saying Putin was right and that gay people are a threat to children? Aside from a few pics of exposed gay people in parades, what studies do you have to support this claim?

It certainly beats your touted myth that people are turned gay by their parents or early childhood experiences.

 

Syne once again cherry picks one sentence out of a Wikipedia paragraph to prove its opposite meaning. Here's the rest of what it said:


"They hypothesized that "while genes predisposing to homosexuality reduce homosexuals' reproductive success, they may confer some advantage in heterosexuals who carry them". Their results suggested that "genes predisposing to homosexuality may confer a mating advantage in heterosexuals, which could help explain the evolution and maintenance of homosexuality in the population".[150] A 2009 study also suggested a significant increase in fecundity in the females related to the homosexual people from the maternal line (but not in those related from the paternal one).[151]

A review paper by Bailey and Zuk looking into studies of same-sex sexual behaviour in animals challenges the view that such behaviour lowers reproductive success, citing several hypotheses about how same-sex sexual behavior might be adaptive; these hypotheses vary greatly among different species. Bailey and Zuk also suggest future research needs to look into evolutionary consequences of same-sex sexual behaviour, rather than only looking into origins of such behaviour."

So homosexuality is a choice because epigenetics might one day, in the remote future, concoct a cure for it? What? Are they going to consult the fetus on its preference for sexual orientation? lol! Hey, maybe they'll find a cure for homophobia by then too. That is, if homophobia ISN'T a choice. I'm pretty sure it is though..

Even if it's viewed as a defect, discrimination against gay people would still be bigotry. Just like with dwarfism or lefthanders or albinos or twins. People don't go around saying THESE people need to be fixed. The fact that such would even be thinkable for gay people betrays the old bias of homophobia once again. Gays as defective subhumans. Flashback to the 1950's where they were viewed as monstrous perverts and even insane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcy_6anmVUc

 

That is simply an argument for State and local municipalities to retain some autonomy, which we largely enjoy in the US. Although not for long if federal judges keep overturning popular vote.

 

It seems that some people can't enjoy themselves without exposing their genitals.
My view is "Keep your meat and veg to yourself. I don't want to see it."

 

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Date 23 December 2013, 15:07:55

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Thank god for federal judges who can overrule when the civil rights of minorities are voted away by the popular vote. Case in point: gay marriage.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."--The 14th Amendment