Purpose of Life

[timojin]

If souls don't exist, then there is no reason to try to develop a connection to Dark Matter.

If I said I think pixie dust is actually neutrinos, it would be non-sensical, since I've just made up pixie dust.
So, my first step would have to be to show that there is a problem here to solve, which is: nevermind neutrinos, does pixie dust even exist in the first place?

So, as always happens, to discuss the details of souls, you'd have to first show that souls even exist.

You statement is not valid. by saying the soul does not exist.
Question : does Dark matter exist ? Is Dark matter part of the universe, is life part of the universe ?
Is the universe composed of 85 % of Dark matter, Here is definite number given by science . Do you accept as is is true ?

 

[DaveC426913]

You statement is not valid. by saying the soul does not exist.

No where did I state that the soul does not exist.

I am simply pointing out that it is not a given.

It must be established that it does exist before there's any point in doing any analysis. Otherwise, what are you analyzing?

(For example, if I were to hypothesize that Santa Claus is made of dark matter, and asked you to explore that idea, would your first response not be to have me show that Santa is real? It's a kind of a pointless hypothesis otherwise, is it not?)

 

[paddoboy]

Well relating to science , Scientist are claiming there is over 85 % of the total matter in the universe is Dark matter ,

No, science is telling us that around 25% of the observable universe is DM, around 70% is DE, and 5% is what we see, normal baryonic matter.

but if you ask them to provide you 1 microgram of that Dark matter there are not able , they don't have an instrument that can identify it directly.

We have reasonable evidence that DM is real. One convincing aspect indicating DM is gravitational lensing, of more distant objects by intervening DM: The other is..................
https://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/mar...find-clues-that-may-help-identify-dark-matter
NASA’s Hubble, Chandra Find Clues that May Help Identify Dark Matter

Here are images of six different galaxy clusters taken with NASA's Hubble Space Telescope (blue) and Chandra X-ray Observatory (pink) in a study of how dark matter in clusters of galaxies behaves when the clusters collide. A total of 72 large cluster collisions were studied.
Credits: NASA and ESA

So since 15% of the matter in the universe is tangible , we can identify it and we can weigh it.

If by tangible you mean what we see, that is wrong again...5% is what we see, or Baryonic matter.
The rest of your comments are just baseless fairy tails that you have made up.

 

[paddoboy]

You statement is not valid. by saying the soul does not exist.

We have no evidence to indicate that a soul or souls exist, just as we have no evidence for ETL, or any deity.

Question : does Dark matter exist ? Is Dark matter part of the universe, is life part of the universe ?

We have evidence that the observable universe consists of more then simply baryonic matter, by the gravitational effects we see. We call that DM and DE.
Life also is simply a stage of the universe evolving so to speak, and a result of chemistry, via abiogenisis and then continued evolution.

Is the universe composed of 85 % of Dark matter, Here is definite number given by science . Do you accept as is is true ?

No, around 25% DM. That's what the evidence dictates at this time, along with 70% DE .

 

[timojin]

If souls don't exist, then there is no reason to try to develop a connection to Dark Matter.

If I said I think pixie dust is actually neutrinos, it would be non-sensical, since I've just made up pixie dust.
So, my first step would have to be to show that there is a problem here to solve, which is: nevermind neutrinos, does pixie dust even exist in the first place?

So, as always happens, to discuss the details of souls, you'd have to first show that souls even exist.

 

[paddoboy]

You statement is not valid. by saying the soul does not exist.

Your soul, or what you mistake for your soul, is simply your conciousness and awareness and governed by your brain: A soul is simply superfluous.

 

[timojin]

We have no evidence to indicate that a soul or souls exist, just as we have no evidence for ETL, or any deity.

We have evidence that the observable universe consists of more then simply baryonic matter, by the gravitational effects we see. We call that DM and DE.
Life also is simply a stage of the universe evolving so to speak, and a result of chemistry, via abiogenisis and then continued evolution.

No, around 25% DM. That's what the evidence dictates at this time, along with 70% DE .

 

[timojin]

We have no evidence to indicate that a soul or souls exist, just as we have no evidence for ETL, or any deity.

We have evidence that the observable universe consists of more then simply baryonic matter, by the gravitational effects we see. We call that DM and DE.
Life also is simply a stage of the universe evolving so to speak, and a result of chemistry, via abiogenisis and then continued evolution.

No, around 25% DM. That's what the evidence dictates at this time, along with 70% DE .

Im not sure if believe you, you post very much but that is probable for intimidation and so does your disciple David.
Please go and argue with wikipedia:



The standard model of cosmology indicates that the total mass–energy of the universe contains 4.9% ordinary matter, 26.8% dark matter and 68.3% dark energy.[3][4][5][6] Thus, dark matter constitutes 84.5%[note 1] of total mass, while dark energy plus dark matter constitute 95.1% of total mass–energy content.[7][8][9][10] The great majority of ordinary matter in the universe is also unseen, since visible stars and gas inside galaxies and clusters account for less than 10% of the ordinary matter contribution to the mass-energy density of the universe.[11] The most widely accepted hypothesis on the form for dark matter is that it is composed of weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPs) that interact only through gravity and the weak force.[12]

 

[paddoboy]

Im not sure if believe you, you post very much but that is probable for intimidation and so does your disciple David.
Please go and argue with wikipedia:



The standard model of cosmology indicates that the total mass–energy of the universe contains 4.9% ordinary matter, 26.8% dark matter and 68.3% dark energy.[3][4][5][6] Thus, dark matter constitutes 84.5%[note 1] of total mass, while dark energy plus dark matter constitute 95.1% of total mass–energy content.[7][8][9][10] The great majority of ordinary matter in the universe is also unseen, since visible stars and gas inside galaxies and clusters account for less than 10% of the ordinary matter contribution to the mass-energy density of the universe.[11] The most widely accepted hypothesis on the form for dark matter is that it is composed of weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPs) that interact only through gravity and the weak force.[12]

What you believe is your problem....
I said that DM=25%. DE=70% Baryonic matter=5%
Your WIKI reference commences as thus......
"The standard model of cosmology indicates that the total mass–energy of the universe contains 4.9% ordinary matter, 26.8% dark matter and 68.3% dark energy"
It then says that....
" Thus, dark matter constitutes 84.5%" and
"while dark energy plus dark matter constitute 95.1%"
It appears as if someone has made an error with the 84.5% figure.
Understand?

 

[DaveC426913]

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In post 485, you quoted my post (post 480) in its entirety, but did not add anything. Was that a mistake?

My most recent post is 482.

BTW, I am not making the same argument as pad. I am not asserting that the soul does not exist. I am simply saying that any meaningful hypothesizing must first establish satisafactorily that it does.

 

[paddoboy]

Im not sure if believe you, you post very much but that is probable for intimidation and so does your disciple David.

Get out of the gutter timojin. Your nasty sarcasm and facetiousness does nothing for the god fearing individual you pretend to be and that you like others to see you as.
Dave is not my disciple, nor I his. I post here independant of anyone else and with just one agenda [science] that aligns with what this forum, first and foremost is...a science forum.

 

[Michael 345]

they don't have an instrument that can identify it directly.

But scientist do have instruments to identify Dark Matter indirectly and make predictions about its effects

we can not weigh it

As opposed to the indirect detection of Dark Matter of which the weight can be calculated

therefore the patient have an artificial life , because it depends in the machine , this person does not have a soul,

I can see the advertisements now for those companies which manufacturer respiratory machines
The soul machine you need

to prove, you unplug the machine ( respirator ) the person dies.

Except

• Frequently they die
• Or I think you claimed the soul decides to come back

I find it strange that so much effort can be put into keeping patients alive with respiratory machines when the medical profession would know as soon as they unplug it the patient dies

By your reasoning those on blood circulation bypass machines, when the heart is removed and replaced with a transparented heart, would die as the new heart can never work because the soul has left

Hope your son does well

 

[paddoboy]

http://www.humantruth.info/souls.html

Souls do not Exist
Evidence from Science & Philosophy Against Mind-Body Dualism

Our 'minds', 'souls', 'spirit' and consciousness are all physical in nature1. Thousands of years of investigation has shown us that our brains comprise and produce our true selves, although because that for most of human history we have had no understanding of how our brains work most Humans have falsely believed inferred that we have souls2 and this idea has infused our folklore, cultures, myths, religions and has instructed our interpretation of dreams3. Souls and spirits do not exist. Our bodies run themselves. We know from cases of brain damage and the effects of psychoactive drugs, that our experiences are caused by physical chemistry acting on our physical neurones in our brains. Our innermost self is our biochemical self.


much much more at
http://www.humantruth.info/souls.html

 

[billvon]

You as a nurse, my wife is a nurse, my son is graduating in the medical field as a doctor .

Great! My wife is a surgeon.

It is said when a person is death the soul have left the body.

Yes, some say that. Some say that Christians are evil. Some say that we never went to the moon. The fact that they say that does not mean it's true.

A person can be sometime brought back to life by providing resuscitation, and providing a mechanical respiration by connecting the respiration machine , therefore the patient have an artificial life , because it depends in the machine , this person does not have a soul, ( which provides life ) . to prove, you unplug the machine ( respirator ) the person dies.

And yet some people have been brain dead and on respirators for weeks and even months - thus "without a soul" by your example - and have come back to live a normal life. Therefore, if your examples are valid, you don't need a soul to live.

We are alive because the soul is in us.

We are alive for the same reason that every other animal is alive - because our bodies carry on the processes of life.

 

[karenmansker]

No, science is telling us that around 25% of the observable universe is DM, around 70% is DE, and 5% is what we see, normal baryonic matter.

We have reasonable evidence that DM is real. One convincing aspect indicating DM is gravitational lensing, of more distant objects by intervening DM: The other is..................
https://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/mar...find-clues-that-may-help-identify-dark-matter
NASA’s Hubble, Chandra Find Clues that May Help Identify Dark Matter


Here are images of six different galaxy clusters taken with NASA's Hubble Space Telescope (blue) and Chandra X-ray Observatory (pink) in a study of how dark matter in clusters of galaxies behaves when the clusters collide. A total of 72 large cluster collisions were studied.


Credits: NASA and ESA

If by tangible you mean what we see, that is wrong again...5% is what we see, or Baryonic matter.
The rest of your comments are just baseless fairy tails that you have made up.

No, science is telling us that around 25% of the observable universe is DM, around 70% is DE, and 5% is what we see, normal baryonic matter.

We have reasonable evidence that DM is real. One convincing aspect indicating DM is gravitational lensing, of more distant objects by intervening DM: The other is..................
https://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/mar...find-clues-that-may-help-identify-dark-matter
NASA’s Hubble, Chandra Find Clues that May Help Identify Dark Matter

Here are images of six different galaxy clusters taken with NASA's Hubble Space Telescope (blue) and Chandra X-ray Observatory (pink) in a study of how dark matter in clusters of galaxies behaves when the clusters collide. A total of 72 large cluster collisions were studied.
Credits: NASA and ESA

If by tangible you mean what we see, that is wrong again...5% is what we see, or Baryonic matter.
The rest of your comments are just baseless fairy tails that you have made up.

Fairy tails?? . . . . if so, then you may be correct; if fairy tales, you are likely incorrect.

 

[paddoboy]

Fairy tails?? . . . . if so, then you may be correct; if fairy tales, you are likely incorrect.

Equating soul/s with DM is most certainly fairy tales, or even fairy tails!

 

[timojin]

Great!

We are alive for the same reason that every other animal is alive - because our bodies carry on the processes of life.

So getting back in track to the opening . What is the purpose of life ? I am familiar with the process of life .

 

[billvon]

So getting back in track to the opening . What is the purpose of life ?

To reproduce.

 

[timojin]

To reproduce.

What for ?

 

[billvon]

What for ?

To propagate one's DNA. We have selfish genes.