At least you accept that responsibility. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! The fact is the context does not require you to state that if consciousness was created by the brain, then it would be natural. You both agree that it was. You meant that the brain doesn't produce artificial consciousness, or artificial intelligence, because it produces them naturally. You made two claims. That is what is written. There are no points to score, it's there for the world to see. Everything you stated requires, and is borne out of consciousness. Consciousness is the essential component. Without that there is nothing. Soul; the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul. the non-physical part of a person regarded as their true self and as capable of surviving physical death or separation. You think it's simple, but as usual you haven't really thought it through. And some believe consciousness is borne out the the brain, and people who can't dance have no soul. It does not mean that the cannon isn't scripture. I'm not struggling with anything. One of us knows what it means for something to be classed as scripture, and it's not you. You asked if it matched a hindu perspective, didn't you? If wetness is a symptom of water, does it mean that wetness must be more than water? Because it seems that is what you're saying. Maybe. How do you know that? Maybe understanding beauty require a certain level of consciousness. The flower could actually be infused with the quality of beauty. Maybe truth is infused with beauty. Just because you see it a certain way, doesn't mean everyone does. Stop acting as though you are a logical person, as opposed to me. Because you may study logic, doesn't you are logical. You've already slipped big time, by claiming the consciousness, and intelligence are produced by the brain, yet you have, not one shred of evidence to back it up. A logical person would know better than to make such claims. Another example of your illogic. You make up stuff, then assign me to it, and act as though what say is true. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Properties of the soul. The title of the thread. I told you I'm not going to go there, right off the bat. Which meant I will not bother to discuss it if you ask. I didn't refuse to answer you. But of course you need to score points. Hey Baldeee? Jan.