Pi

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Pi-Sudoku, Aug 15, 2005.

  1. Aer Registered Senior Member

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    Cool.

    (I see nothing)
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Aer:

    You seem to be wanting to claim that, since N and 0 are "approximations", N/0 must be infinity.

    Then answer this. Suppose N = 20.000000 +/- 0.000001. (I am including the uncertainty explicitly.)
    Suppose, further, than x = 0.0 +/- 0.1

    Question: What is your value for N/x, including the uncertainty?

    Next, suppose that x = 0.000000 +/- 0.000001. What is the value of N/x now?

    Suppose x is zero, plus or minus 0.[1 hundred million zeros]1. What is the value of N/x?
     
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  5. Aer Registered Senior Member

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    I already answered a similar question that funkstar posed. Keep reading.

    Here it is so you don't have to go searching:

    [360,000 ; +infinity] and [-360,000 ; -infinity] Would you care to share a real world example in which what you are dividing with can be positive and negative? I'm not saying it is impossible, I just don't have an example right off the top of my head. The asymptotic nature of the solution is what usually requires it either be positive or negative.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It may be better to look at it as:

    If I have N objects, and I split them into groups of P objects, how many groups will there be? (e.g. If I have 10 objects, and break them into groups of 2, there will be 10/2 = 5 groups.)

    If I have 10 objects, and break them into groups of zero, how many groups will there be?
     
  8. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Math nerds... *snort*
     
  9. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Go look again at my rendering of QQ's pi spiral. It's a wierd pseudo-polar radar thingy in excel...
     
  10. Aer Registered Senior Member

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    Looks to me like one big snail got caught in a spider web.
     
  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I read your response to funkstar.

    You seem to be backing down from your initial statement, adding in a qualification that "only positive answers are allowed", in effect.

    Is that a correct summary of your position? If not, please explain.
     
  12. Aer Registered Senior Member

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    Well, you are confused about what I am refering to. In the purposes of this thread, the answer can only be positive infinity because we are clearly approaching zero from the positive side. I qualified this later to say that if I knew a measurement must be positive, but the accuracy of my measuring device was slightly miscalibrated and measured a very small negative number - then I would still conclude that it is approximately zero as approaching from the right hand side. Now I added a little more explaination to what I mean because I am sure you can handle it - those other bozos, I am not so sure about.
     
  13. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Hey,

    I won't post the new plot, but I just found a nifty polar plotting add-in for excel. Works good.
     
  14. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Hey Sl great now use the digits of pi as a percentage in sequence instead of the table I posted....hmmmmm...is that possible
     
  15. Aer Registered Senior Member

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    QQ, pi = C/D where C is the circumference of a circle and D is the diamter of the circle. It doesn't have anything to do with 360 degrees in a circle.
     
  16. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    QQ,

    Not sure what you want...?

    And Aer is right. 360 is arbitrary.
     
  17. Aer Registered Senior Member

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    As a side note, I want to create a rectangle. So I take a circle with a diameter down the center. I slice the circle perpendicular to the diamter line. The resulting 4 pieces from the slice (2 identical pieces from the circumfernce (pieces can be straightened), 2 identical pieces from the diameter) are used to create my rectangle. What is the area of my rectangle?
     
  18. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    as I said earlier it is way to hard to describe my reasoning. so I wont bother at the moment.
    However what i will share is that the center of the circle is an undefinable infinite point of reduction......The interest in it stems from the notion that to find the center of concentrated space time is an infinite task of constant reduction.

    It seemed to me that because Pi is an infinitly resolving value [ the resolution goes on infinitely] that it may have something to show us about the finding of our center of spacetime...

    sorry if this is confusing......maybe later I will be able to clarify my propositions a bit better...
     
  19. Aer Registered Senior Member

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    I guess the first thing you assumed is that spacetime is a 2D circular plane?
     
  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    correct but a circle isn't
     
  21. Aer Registered Senior Member

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    A circle is not arbitrary in the context that it is different from a square? Maybe. ..it's hard to think like you.
     
  22. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.....but it is useful to take a 2 dimensional slice of a 3d sphere
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    shit man I find it hard to think like me...can't imagine how hard it would be for someone else to think like me.....

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