Oh I understand your point and where you are coming from. I also understand that until you have experienced it yourself, we are talking from totally different planets. Unfortunately most persons who do experience collective interconnectedness immediately become paranoid about "broadcasting their thoughts" to the world and end up very sick indeed. So maybe it is best that you haven't had the rude awakening that some have had? ===== Like the fly landing on my shoulder in the earlier example, psi is not an experiment. It is a life, a consciousness, an awareness and an experience. The "fact" that the fly landed on my shoulder at 10:31 am (as per example) is not in any way diminished by it's inability to conform to experimental requirements. So too, can the same be said for genuine psychic or paranormal experience.