The main point is is rubbing enough to kill bacteria? Yes... the toilet is unnerving for some. It is only me using toilet so no chance of cross contamination because then sure there would be risks, at least increased. I should be almost able to completely omit soap and without tradeoffs like using more water water, using hot water more etc. What really peaked my interest is a news story on t.v., that said when you wash your hands it is the rubbing that kills the bacteria and not the soap. In my environment there is no cross contamination and really a col or flu i can ride out. Never been medicate. Except for beer.
Sylvester absolutely NOT the only thing rubbing will help accomplish is the spreading of the soap to cleanse and (possibly) kill bacteria in all honesty, if it is cleanliness you want, i would suggest chlorine bleach (not for hands though) you can also get anti-microbial soaps but i am not sure that it is really necessary unless you have a severe phobia i suggest using soap ALWAYS and if you can't find any, then use alcohol based hand sanitizers that are sold everywhere, and sometimes left out for free in high traffic areas (like wally-world or in hospitals) Like i said... make sure the seat/cover is down before flushing Well, unless you are creating enough heat through friction to kill the bacteria with temperature and exposure, then you are not going to kill with rubbing... and i doubt you could get to, let alone maintain, a high enough temp through rubbing... that news article seems incredibly suspect to me I would take it with much more than a grain of salt unless you could find a study linked to it showing some scientific results and there is NO tradeoff either. the best methods (with specific situational problems like C. Diff) is with the alcohol based sanitaizers from what i understand, but the most common and cheapest method is with simple soap and clean water. taking into consideration some of the extreme environments of even something like surgery (Radiation, friction, cleansing, etc) and the fact that bacteria can survive even those environments, then (again) consider the news suspect it could be referencing a specific type of bacteria as well, but none that i know of, which, again, would mean take it with a grain of salt the best and most effective means of cheap cleanliness is always with soap and hot water for body parts (clean water is best, but you can sterilize water through boiling as well as using bleach solutions... 1 cap full (of the bleach container) to a gallon of water is the average mix for sterilization of dishes per health guidelines, but you can consider a slightly higher does per the following rules: http://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/EmergencyPreparednessandResponse/Factsheets/WaterPurification ) Guidelines for washing are here: http://www.chpra.wisc.edu/files/Hand_Washing_Hygiene_Posters.pdf and again, to sterilize, i suggest bleach solution as well as a nice boiling water rinse... and a hot sterilization in a dish washer for utensils (depending on the objects) and you can see the amount of bleach needed in the link above - the water purification link Hope that answers your questions! the links i previously posted should help a lot as far as getting info on hygiene as well as more, from the CDC to the NIH Here are some more links: http://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/ http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/hygiene/ THIS ONE is really good: http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/in-depth/hand-washing/art-20046253 http://www.who.int/gpsc/tools/faqs/system_change/en/
Yes they are; and part of the reason why many anti-biotic drugs are now less effective. Bacteria "know" Darwinian selection applies to them too. Too few humans seem to know that. If I were king, you would need a prescription to buy one and it would "self destruct" in a couple of weeks.
Yes, and the are big bucks to be made by encouraging it. It has been a slow struggle for those companies as first they had to make you believe you needed their product, something your grand father did not need.
I can agree with that they may be effective but i tend to use soap and water most of the time unless there is nothing else Plus, alcohol based sanitizers will also tend to dry out the skin and make it itch, flake and can be a problem there is plenty of info out there about the use & possible dangers of antibacterial's etc... http://www.tufts.edu/med/apua/practitioners/infection_control_11_3141468025.pdf Although most of the stuff i read about the alcohol based sanitizers is also positive (see the other links above), when there is an antimicrobial added to it, there is (of course) the hazard of creating resistant bugs, much like the over prescription of antibiotics that lead to resistant bugs in hospitals etc True just because it is cheap and easy doesn't always mean it is better... i think that cheap is a big selling point to many too especially in the modern "throw away" society but that is IMHO if yall come across any other interesting studies concerning the topic, please link them here always interested in this especially considering the "double edged sword" that comes with antibiotics/antimicrobial
So far no issues and i have only (mostly) been using water for my dishes. Sometimes if there is oil i use just a drop or two of soap. In the shower i found some good soap to use and have not been using shampoo...now, that is some name to put on your hair - "sham-poo". I cut out deodorant (underarm) and mainly shave with only water, but been doing that for around 17 years. IF i feel i need it i find a natural way to keep my armpits form smelling, but that is very rare since i dont need it. Truck Captain Stumpy, what i recall reading\hearing is that it is the rubbing that kills bacteria and also is it not correct that a dry surface should be safe since bacteria (the ones we would be concerned about) will not live long on a dry barren surface? And i am familiar with much of what you posted. I also go for bleach on particularly nasty surfaces and on those surfaces the bleach just evaporates. Sure i sometimes miss the bowl when i pee, but lately been trying to use only water. So main thing is no soap for any dishes, glasses etc. and honestly dont see any difference. Toilet is still in my dish cleaning area too. I keep the seat down, since i often use it to put my dishes on when done cleaning.
one method you can use is salt or hydrogen peroxide it helps keep you dry and kills certain bacteria that cause odors Baking soda and/or talcum powder can help as well remember, warm and moist are great for growing bacteria there are other natural methods you can also use, but these can be "subjective" and may not react or work for every person http://health.howstuffworks.com/wel...medies/home-remedies-for-body-odor.htm#page=0 you can also appeal to "natural" magazines for other solutions ok, just remember: dry environments do not mean that there will be dead or no bacteria case in point: Tardigrade (AKA - waterbears) can survive without water for very long periods of time here is some more information that will help with that: http://www.ilri.org/InfoServ/Webpub/fulldocs/ilca_manual4/Microbiology.htm bacteria can be various as well as hardy OR fragile again, it mainly depends upon the type or specific bacteria (also note that bacteria can mutate into stronger types that are hardier given the right conditions as well, and this is really the crux of the situation, especially if you provide an environment that allows even small populations to survive) here is another eye opening article that will give you some information: http://www.popsci.com/scitech/artic...nd-viruses-live-surfaces-home-normal-room-tem as it notes, some can live long periods of time but some are more fragile and subject to conditional situations, like HIV the HIV virus is not very hardy when exposed to air, and dies quickly... however, keep it moist and ... so you see, the situation is more about having a home and food, just like your own survival as i live in a very small cabin (under 450 ft sq) then i can relate to cramped quarters, but i will also caution you about toilets and the spread of fecal contamination I would also suggest putting an additional barrier between the toilet and the dishes (an additional tray or board) when using the toilet for any dish storage there are many things you can naturally make that also help with cleaning: if you burn any wood, try to stick to hardwood and when you burn hardwood, collect the ashes in a can. you can later add water and then use a cheese cloth or other method to strain out the ashes. this is how you can make Lye soap http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Lye http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_ashlye.html http://candleandsoap.about.com/od/soapmakingsafety/tp/Making-Lye-from-Wood-Ashes.htm http://www.countryfarm-lifestyles.com/make-lye.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lye#Soap_making http://www.motherearthnews.com/home...some-soap-a-recipe-for-a-simple-lye-soap.aspx https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap#Cold_process I will also suggest that you use Bleach or white vinegar for cleaning to insure that you can kill the various things that can harm you biologically. http://www.care2.com/greenliving/vinegar-kills-bacteria-mold-germs.html http://www.davidsuzuki.org/what-you-can-do/queen-of-green/faqs/cleaning/does-vinegar-kill-germs/ although the above links are not scientific studies, they are helpful and contain information that you can probably use
That lye soap looks interesting would like to try it and thank you for the links. For myself i feel confidant i can get by with no soap or very little when i need it since contamination from other people is not an issue for me. Even there though i wonder if it is necessary, maybe for glasses but if your housemates are sick and you rinse of there plates, glasses, silverware etc. with even a little water to wash the scraps away and RUB good then i wonder if you can get sick once the dishes have dried. Usually we are talking about colds, flu etc. Not an issue for me so just reporting no problems in that regard.
Could not edit my post so forgive me for the instance where i used the word there - should be "their".
It all depends on with the quantity of water you will use . Remember there is a critical micell value .
