Osama Bin Laden is Dead

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SciWriter, May 2, 2011.

  1. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    So you doubt his involvement in Al-qaeda or just 9/11? Just look at this Interpol link and see what they list as his offenses.

    http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/1998/32/1998_20232.as

    You behave as if Bin Laden never committed a crime in his life.
     
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  3. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    How am I supposed to know what every muslim thinks or behaves like, there are nearly 2 billion muslims I havent met even quater of them. My answer is I don't know.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Opinions are like arseholes. I prefer to go by those that matter - like this one:

    I assume that the US DOJ is qualified for its work.
     
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  7. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    So your claim that he is a traitor to the ummah is based in ignorance?
     
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  9. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Like I said, these are competing narratives of two groups of vigilantes - and I am actually using the judicial system of one group of vigilantes in support of the lack of evidence for the other group of vigilantes. Has the US DOJ indicted al Qaeda as a group for any crime?

    Meanwhile, you might want to forward the interpol report to the DOJ.
     
  11. superstring01 Moderator

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    You also left out the part that you are both incapable and unwilling to acknowledge the evidence that is available, but prefer the conspiracy option on what amounts to a fraction of the evidence that shows that OBL and AQ masterminded 9/11.

    OBL was on the most wanted list for MANY reasons, but the FBI chose to list those reasons that were already brought up in court documents. Typically only standing indictments are listed on the most wanted posters. Because the files on OBL and the information obtained on him by thy intelligence community was on lockdown, there was no real reason to reveal any of it.

    OHHHH, you didn't get to see the evidence! I didn't realize we were operating on a "proof" standard (which, I admit is sorta ridiculous coming from a theist, but that issue for another time). There is always the glaring evidence that he admitted to planning and financing the attacks on video.

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  12. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    No based on the reasons I stated.
     
  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I think it's funny how SAM was sooo soooo sure that THAT nose, ..... that flat pinched nose, was well, you know, the nose knows

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  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So the DOJ is the conspiracy option and your reading list is the accredited source? The problem I see with that is that the US never exercised the option to put him on trial when given the choice and chose to kill rather than submit him to due process

    So regardless of whatever evidence there is or isn't against him, the official record shows that the available evidence was insufficient to legally indict him.

    This is YOUR legal system.
     
  15. superstring01 Moderator

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    Then you're definitely the asshole for not reading a single page of any of the books before rendering verdicts. Each of them were listed for you because of their usage of original source material, which is sited and provided for reference along with photos and original interviews of people involved.

    But, then again, you'd know that if you actually read one. But sure, stick to the stuff that parrots your worldview. Nothing screams "intelligent" like someone who pre-selects reading material that supports their worldview.

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  16. superstring01 Moderator

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    The material I provided you have been peer reviewed by people in most countries and have come out shining. I know it may not parrot what you want to believe (though, you have no way of knowing what the books contain because you refuse to read them).

    It's telling, watching conspiracy nuts try to eliminate options without ever touching them.

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  17. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I heard an "expert" today suggesting Zawahiri really never had much support. Not like Bin Laden. He just isn't "Leader" material. More like a good planner. Or a secretary.


    While I personally would have liked to see Bin Laden taken alive. I imagine that such an endeavor would have put more American lives at risk. Image the lone nut taking a classroom of kindergarten kids hostage unless Bin Laden is released. They did this exact thing to Russia. So, the preference is for quick death.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    @string

    Peer reviewed by whom? Can you show me a recognised legal authority which considers the evidence as sufficient to indict him?
     
  19. superstring01 Moderator

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    No SAM. Read slowly. . . It'll help.

    The FBI didn't need to bug the CIA or NSA to release all their pesky files, there was enough to hang him for the USS Cole and the African embassy bombings. But, suffice it to say, OBL's confession on video and the numerous works that investigated him (some, in which the authors actually MET AND TALKED WITH OBL) show clearly that OBL was the leader and fund supplier of 9/11.

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  20. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    And I asked, Do you consider him a traitor because he doesn't believe/behave as the majority of the ummah? To which your answer was
    So ignorance seems the answer since you can't even give an opinion as to whether, you consider him a traitor because he doesn't believe/behave as the majority of the ummah?
     
  21. superstring01 Moderator

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    Right. Then I'm assuming that you have that same standard when you read the nonsense that supports your idiotic theory? You have--I'm sure--vetted all the sources, met the authors, checked the source material for veracity? Right?

    I think not.

    See. SAM, we both know it's not about evidence with you. It's all about that which supports your world view. Nothing else matters. So why even pretend. It's not like you're actually going to read any contrasting viewpoints. That. . . well, we all know. . . that would be a little too painful.

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  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Is that how the US legal system works? So when the FBI said:

    Were they lying?

    (some, in which the authors actually MET AND TALKED WITH OBL)

    Who hasn't? Oh wait, so your evidence is based on Osama's confessions which are only exclusively given to reporters who wrote about him?
     
  23. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Oh for pete's sake Sam go and check the DOJ's bloody website and type in Bin Laden and you will find a bloody warrant for his arrest! Here's the link:

    http://searchjustice.usdoj.gov/sear...heet=default_frontend&site=default_collection

    I mean its full of juicy bits like:

    "Al Bakri’s plea states that while all the defendants named in the indictment and other individuals were at al Farooq, bin Laden appeared there and spoke about the alliance of al Qaeda and the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and threatened America and Israel. Al-Bakri also admitted meeting personally with bin Laden while both were at the camp, and that trainers at the camp spoke about the Tanzania Embassy bombing, the intention of al Qaeda to attack the United States, and the request of trainees to volunteer for suicide missions."

    "Al-Bakri was one of six defendants charged in a two-count indictment with providing material support or resources to a designated foreign terrorist organization, based on their attendance at an al Qaeda-affiliated training camp. Al-Bakri pleaded guilty to Count Two of the indictment, a violation of 18 U.S.C. 2339B, and admitted that he provided material support to al Qaeda by traveling to the al Farooq training camp near Kandahar, Afghanistan, receiving weapons, explosives, tactical, and other training, and by providing guard duty while at the training camp. He also admitted obtaining a uniform and meeting with USAMA BIN LADEN while at the al Farooq camp."
     

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