Opposite of logic?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Spectrum, Feb 20, 2006.

  1. Theoryofrelativity Banned Banned

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    Oh and of course 'congratulations' please accept this 'smiley' by way of medal

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    my 3.5yr old is cleverer than I thought! or is this subconscious logic? Does logic exist on a sunconscious level???
     
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  3. Spectrum Registered Senior Member

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    I find that humour often involves a relation to the past, or memory. For example something that has been said perhaps five or ten minutes ago will be referred to again, and for some reason it is funny.
     
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  5. devils_reject Registered Senior Member

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    Subjective ideas are misleadingly asummed as opposites of logic but even all subjective notions follow some sort of rule of law of nature. Consider newtons first law of motion.
     
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  7. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    Give up.

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    Or... start studying as many paradoxes as you can possibly find.

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  8. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Religion usually happens to be the polar opposite of logic, reason, and intelligence.
     
  9. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Blah blah blah
     
  10. Rosnet Philomorpher Registered Senior Member

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    No, it is NOT(p) OR NOT(q). Try a truth table.
     
  11. Spectrum Registered Senior Member

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    I don't know how to create a truth table, so if you could show me one...

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    (Not (p AND q)) should equal (not (p) AND not (q)) (in my opinion).

    If what you write is true then the following should also be true:

    (not (p and q))=x and y (because 'x' and 'y' are not p and q), but

    (not p) OR (not q)=x (not p) OR y (not q), so then we have either p and y, or x and q.
     
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  12. Rosnet Philomorpher Registered Senior Member

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    Obviuosly, you haven't been doing your homework. Before waging war on logic, you should at least have bothered to learn the basics. Look up 'Mathematical Logic' in google or wikipedia.
     
  13. Spectrum Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not waging war on logic, I'm just interested in what else is out there. As I have stated in previous posts, logic does not seem to be the ultimate guide to life: there may be problems inherent in it. Paradoxes exist that may disprove logic as the be all and end all to the universe (despite my previous belief system).
     
  14. Rosnet Philomorpher Registered Senior Member

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    There are no paradoxes in logic. Show me one. What may appear as a pardox in <I>logic</I> is a really a paradox in definition. For example the sentence:

    "This sentence is false."
     
  15. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Well said.

    See my post way back when...lol


    Some people just dont understand logic....
     
  16. nameless Registered Senior Member

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    Spectrum, I just Googled "Limits of Logic". One of the first of many hits was this, The Limits of Logic, simple, short and elegant.

    But THIS one is very good, Principal Problems with Principles:
    Limits of Logic in the
    Growth of Knowledge


    Enjoy!
     
  17. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    No, not "blah blah blah". Hah hah hah. Religion is moronic, and most of them piss right in logic's eye. This is the 21st century, an age of cell phones, the internet, and sattelite-targeted weapon systems and yet some dumbfucks still bow down to the sky. Pitiful.

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  18. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Well, but it is not exactly the opposite. There is some logic in it.
     
  19. Spectrum Registered Senior Member

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    Why do I have to show you a pardox when you have quoted a perfectly good one? If "this sentence is false" then what is written must be true. So then, it is true that the sentence is false? We have a paradox, so there must be a problem with logic.
    Oh, I apologize Glaucon! Could you explain to me what I'm missing?

    Thank you for the links nameless.
     
  20. nameless Registered Senior Member

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    You're welcome, Spectrum.
     
  21. Nanonetics Registered Senior Member

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    The purpose of logic is to make an evaluation of true or false. You can zoom in right away on the true, or you could eliminate all the clutter of false to where only true remains. The existence of other methodologies outside of logic is sheer fantasy, with such methodologies ultimately resulting in personal preference evaluations.
     
  22. Nanonetics Registered Senior Member

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    Using logic to evaluate truth = True

    All other methodologies = False
     
  23. Nanonetics Registered Senior Member

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    Wilson's quote itself evaluates to false.

    Objectively, all of these conditions cannot be true at once, so False.

    Subjectively, only one condition can be true for a given evaluator's conclusion, so again, False.
     

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