On The Matter Of Mind Reading

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by davidelkins, Jun 18, 2016.

  1. mtf Banned Banned

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    By taking sides with one or the other camp -- this at least seems to be the way that people typically do it. Once they choose the camp they wish to belong to, they intrpret things and make sense of them accordingly.

    If you were a practitioner of certain meditation techniques, you wouldn't have this problem.
    I don't know if those meditation teachers actually are onto something, or whether what they do is something that a person merely internalizes and identifies with to the point where it seems to be objectively true and not due to some private volitional act.

    I'm not sure we can escape the metaepistemic or the notion of the metaepistemic.

    But the people who don't delve on epistemic problems generally seem to be ... happier.
     
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  3. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    In other words, you can't know your own mind, since the mind is the only tool available, and it can't know itself.
     
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  5. mtf Banned Banned

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    This appears to be the conclusion, but not everyone comes to it, and not everyone feels threatened in some way by it.
    Some people are convinced that they exist separately from their minds, and that thus, they have full control over and full knowledge of them.
    And this isn't something "Eastern" or "New Age;" if you read older Western authors (19th century and before), they seem to casually distinguish between themselves and their minds.
    It's not clear how they do that, though.
     
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  7. davidelkins Registered Senior Member

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    It is worthwhile though to celebrate 'mind guessing'. Mind guessing is vital and I'm sure there are many valuable methodologies to learn. People should not be dissuaded from mind guessing simply because they don't believe in mind reading. DE
     
  8. mtf Banned Banned

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    Except that things usually don't stay at the level of guessing, but turn into projection and similar.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_attribution_bias
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_identification
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You may want to read up on the *mirror neural system*, which enables *empathy* which is a form of mind reading at the emotional and physical response level.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron

    But I do agree that the so called professional mind readers are usually charlatans.
     
  10. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    The modern human brain has two centers of consciousness. The center of the conscious mind is the ego, while the center of the unconscious mind is the inner self. When one distinguishes a difference between themselves and their mind, it is between ego and inner self or conscious and unconscious minds, both of which process data.

    If you were to become hypnotized, you will be able to remember things that you subliminally picked up, which you may not be consciously aware of. This extra data is connected to the unconscious mind and the inner self. The inner self uses the main frame parts of the brain and will pick up higher data density. If one learns to form a translation link to this extra data, one can get added information that appears to be beyond what people think is consciously possible.

    There is a simple experiment one can use to gain some first hand experience of the "other", that is inside. One way is to have someone leave you off in the woods, at night. Unless you are an outdoorsman and are used to this, many people will begin to sense things that are not there in the darkness of the night; lions and tiger and bears, Oh my! The shadow becomes a bear, etc. The movement of the wind becomes a wolf stalking you.

    What is happening is the unconscious mind is become active due to the unknown situation. You can consciously try to calm your feelings, but sometimes the feelings have a mind of their own. There is something else that is concerned. This is useful, in terms of self observation, since one will notice there is something else inside the brain, that people of all generations have sensed.
     
  11. mtf Banned Banned

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    LOL.
     

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