Obama impeachment in process

Discussion in 'Politics' started by IamJoseph, Aug 24, 2010.

1. IamJosephBannedBanned

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Is this hype or inevitable?

Documented: Grounds for impeachment
'This is the beginning of the end for the United States unless ... '

August 23, 2010

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=194785
By Bob Unruh

Lying, bribing, subverting election laws, payoffs, aiding the nation's enemies, seeking the abrogation of the U.S. Constitution – which of these does not fall under the "high crimes and misdemeanors" required in the nation's founding documents for the removal of a sitting president, asks a new special report.
"The Case for Impeachment: Why Barack Hussein Obama Should be Impeached to Save America" by Steven Baldwin covers all of these issues and more in making its arguments.

"This is the beginning of the end for the United States unless the people exercise their precious remaining liberties and stand and demand that their elected representatives impeach this president before further mortal damage is inflicted upon America," the report concludes.

The author explains that the Founding Fathers enshrined the impeachment clause into the United States Constitution because they feared that a president intent on subverting the very principles upon which the American experiment was built would someday rise to power.
Get the details, in "The Case for Impeachment: Why Barack Hussein Obama Should be Impeached to Save America"
"Despite all the checks and balances and obstacles they put in place, the Founders knew a determined cabal could still gain control of all three branches of government and wield this consolidation of power to dismantle our cherished constitutional principles, and eradicate the freedoms that generations of Americans sacriﬁced their lives to preserve," he writes.

"Make no mistake: That day is now upon us."
In "The Case for Impeachment," Baldwin, a senior research fellow at the Western Journalism Center, says the issue of impeachment "is no longer a laughing matter."

"With the economy continuing to implode, the coming collapse of the dollar, high unemployment rates, the government takeover of entire industries, the administration's weak and naive response to the worldwide jihadist threat, and the ongoing frontal assault on our Judeo-Christian heritage, the impeachment option is one that can no longer be ignored," he finds.
Impeachment, after all, is based on "high crimes and misdemeanors," an "old English common law phrase which, in the 1600s, meant negligence, abuse of power, and abuse of trust," the report says.

"Not only has the Obama administration promoted dangerous and unsustainable policies, but it has also engaged in corrupt and illegal activities such as bribery, a crime the Founders specifically cited as an impeachable offense. Moreover, this report details numerous instances of Obama lying to the American people, a pattern which clearly indicates a character defect that in itself endangers America. Given this, we believe impeachment is necessary for the future survival of America," says the report.
Among the factors Americans should consider:

Obama's violations of federal campaign and ethics laws, including the offers from his administration to Democratic U.S. Rep. Joe Sestak, who reported he was offered a high-ranking government job to drop his opposition in the Pennsylvania Senate primary to sitting Sen. Arlen Specter.

Obama's effort "to persuade the [Illinois] governor to fill the vacated Senate seat with his longtime adviser Valerie Jarrett."

Suggestions from Obama's own Federal Election Commission documentation that he got at least $33.8 million for his campaign from disallowed foreign contributions, including 520 contributions from interests in Iran as well as$30,000 from the Hamas-controlled Gaza area.

Obama's administration decision to drop a case that prosecutors already had won against "black nationalist thugs" who were seen on video apparently intimidating voters during the 2008 election.

Obama fired an inspector general, Gerald Walpin, after he exposed corruption linked to one of Obama's buddies, Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson.

The president's system of rewarding supporters has come under question. The report confirms more than 70 individuals who raised \$50,000 or more for Obama "have been rewarded with ambassadorships or high ranking jobs."
The report documents how Obama's actions even may have endangered Americans by "treating the war on terrorism as a criminal matter and downplaying the war on terrorism."
"This attitude has manifested itself in a number of ways: Obama's casual attitude may have encouraged domestic terrorist attacks, such as the November 5, 2009, Ft. Hood shooting by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan that left thirteen American military personnel dead."

His Department of Homeland Security also has "described veterans and other law-abiding Americans [as] 'rightwing extremists,'" the report says.
Further, the report explains how the U.S. State Department gave a grant to the Al-Quds television network, owned by the terrorist group Hamas, and invited them to the U.S. to produce a propaganda film.
Samantha Power, who once referred to the U.S. presence in Iraq as an "occupation" even as she favored sending troops to Israel to forcibly impose a Palestinian state, was appointed by Obama to the National Security Council, the report says.

And the report reveals how rapper Jay-Z and Beyonce were photographed sitting around the "Situation Room" – the confidential White House location filled with top secret communications equipment that allows the tracking of terror threats worldwide.
"Many of Obama's actions, if they do not flat-out violate the Constitution, certainly undermine the spirit and intent of the Constitution as envisioned by our Founding Fathers," the report explains.
And his fiscal policies "are causing unprecedented damage to America's financial health and to our reputation abroad."
The president even has changed history to remove Christian references, the report explains.

"In his 2010 Easter greeting message, Obama quoted from a sermon given by a military pastor on Iwo Jima in 1945. However, he removed passages dealing with Christian doctrine – like Christ's resurrection – in order to make the quote appealing to all religions, even though Easter is NOT a multicultural event; it's a Christian event. Obama altered a great historical quote in order to serve his multicultural worldview. Apparently he is embarrassed by America’s Christian heritage."
The report also has extensive sections on Democrats' new health-care law and what it means, as well as immigration.
"President Barack Obama has proven to be incompetent, reckless, deceitful, and naive when it comes to making economic decisions and protecting America’s security interests. His history of corruption, power-grabbing, and misleading the American people have created a pattern we believe jeopardizes America," the report says.

"This report reveals a pattern that demonstrates Obama is constantly engaging in actions that reflect a hard-left ideology antithetical to America's founding principles. … Obama is clearly dismissive of America’s constitutional principles and obviously dislikes the role America plays in the world. He dislikes our Judeo-Christian heritage and detests America's historical allies.
"Less than halfway through his first term, Obama has done more damage to America than any previous president in history. Some of the damage can be repaired; some can't. Some of his policies will haunt generations to come," the report says. "It's time for the American people to rise up and demand Congress impeach him."

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Hype. Also tripe.

3. joepistoleOrdo Ad ChaoValued Senior Member

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It is rather sad and scary when you think about it. When Republicans, conservatives, or whatever else they want to call themselves these days, loose elections the first thing they want to do is to impeach the opposition. And of course, they have no evidence. Evidence is unneeded and wanted. All they want is power at any cost.

Hitler would have been proud of them.

4. spidergoatGive me heat, and then I'll add the wood.Valued Senior Member

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Lesson One is conservative politics (and Nazi politics BTW):

Projection.

5. Repo ManValued Senior Member

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To be fair, I can remember riding my bicycle through Arcata the day after the 1980 election, and seeing a handmade bumper sticker on a Volkswagen Beetle that said Impeach Reagan! Though, he really ought to have been after Iran/Contra came to light, but that was seven years later.

6. countezeroRegistered Senior Member

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It's pretty sad, but then, it's not terrible different than the Bush stole the election, impeach Bush, or try Bush for war crimes attitudes the Democrats have displayed.

7. spidergoatGive me heat, and then I'll add the wood.Valued Senior Member

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Uh, Bush took us to war on a lie, subverted the constitution's due process clause by wiretapping everyone without warrants, outed a covert CIA agent, Reagan launched a secret war in Central America funded by drug money laundered through Saudi Arabia, and you want to impeach Obama for trying to fix the economy that YOU guys broke?

Bite me, you sons of bitches!

8. joepistoleOrdo Ad ChaoValued Senior Member

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Maybe they want to borrow 40 million from China to pursue baseless allegations like they did with Clinton and in the process divert America's attention from the more pressing details of state like the economy and the deficit.

9. countezeroRegistered Senior Member

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Thanks for making my argument for me.

10. pjdude1219troaty mouth best song everValued Senior Member

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you didn't have an argument all you had was a specious comparison that totally disregarded anything resembling the facts of the why

and addressed to the OP Is there a bill? because if not than it is not in process.

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11. superstring01Timelord in training.Moderator

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Counte never said anything that even remotely supports an impeachment of Obama.

~String

12. spidergoatGive me heat, and then I'll add the wood.Valued Senior Member

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Wasn't talking to him.

But then, Bush 43 is a war criminal.

I guarantee if the Supreme Court appointed Obama as president we would be in a civil war now.

13. countezeroRegistered Senior Member

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I had an argument, though I admit it was perhaps too subtle for some.

My point was that Joe's comments about Republicans running to legal remedies after lost elections (of which impeachment is one) is equally prevalent on the other side of the aisle (Gore being just one prominent example).

Of course, circumstance matters, as do the relative strength of the charges. With that in mind, my argument was attempting to show that the boobs trying to impeach Obama are no less stupid and misguided than the boobs who frothed at the mouth about impeaching Bush, trying him for war crimes and generally agitating for his public execution on the Mall as the Evil embodiment of Satan. That some such people exist on this site and take offense to such observation is to be expected.

Several people on this site, when asked, have attempted to prove that. Most looked silly, either through a complete lack of legal expertise, raging bias or some combination of the two. I won't ask you to join that group now because I have no interest in seeing another likeminded effort.

That's big talk. Like puffing your chest out big talk. And it's pretty ridiculous. No doubt many people would be unhappy if the court appointed Obama (due to a lawsuit brought by his opponent?), but civil war? Come on.

14. spidergoatGive me heat, and then I'll add the wood.Valued Senior Member

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Look, if Bush can't be impeached for taking us to war on a lie, then he could be based on all his other transgressions of the constitution. Warrantless wiretaps, outing a CIA agent, I could go on and on about his fascist crimes. If the standard is getting a blowjob, then certainly Bush deserved the same treatment. Obama has done nothing but what he promised during his campaign, and he's trying to fix the economy.

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15. pjdude1219troaty mouth best song everValued Senior Member

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no you didn't have an argument you had a really shitty comparison. Ignoring the facts of the charges isn't being subtle its being stupid.

your ignoring why. Sorry but the democratic claims with real evidence aren't equal to trumped up bullshit that the repoublicans are using and to equate the two as equal is the hieght of dishonesty.

16. nirakar( i ^ i )Registered Senior Member

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And now Obama is also a war criminal.

It is difficult to be a president of a nation fighting a modern war without becoming a war criminal.

Or a military coup or something. Or protests leading to a new election. Countzero probably does not know that Bush actually did steal the presidency.

The left and right are different. The left lies to itself much less than the right does. The left cares more about fairness and how they play the game than the right does which care much more about winning than fairness. The left's complaints against the right are not the equivalent of the right's complaints against the left though the corporate center-right spin machine would like us to believe that the left and rights political complaints are equal.

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17. joepistoleOrdo Ad ChaoValued Senior Member

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There was or is nothing equal about it. Democrats have not spent 40-50 million dollars of tax payer money pursuing baseless political witch hunts. While Democrat supporters may have called for impeachment, Democrats never drafted an article of impeachment against Republicans in modern times. Republicans cannot make the same claim.

18. pjdude1219troaty mouth best song everValued Senior Member

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we cannot say that for sure we do not have the evidence for it. all we can say for sure is that it is the most probable explanation of the events that occured

19. pjdude1219troaty mouth best song everValued Senior Member

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false. there was bill to impeach dick cheney.

20. countezeroRegistered Senior Member

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An inelegant case that was niether asked for or wanted.

Sure they have. Scooter Libby? Justice Dept. firings? Remember all these frivolous investigations, post-2006? Meanwhile, Rome burned...

You're not going to get me to defend Clinton's impeachment. That was more useless political theater, and as such, it was DUMB (still, in Clinton's case, he did actually commit a felony, and admitted as much). You're argument here, then, seems to be that Republicans are more guilty of pursuing theater instead of subtance -- and this impeachment seems to be your sole claim backing that. I would say both sides are equally as invested in theater. It's just the Republicans have more balls.

I was waiting for someone else to say as much. That is, Obama has continued virtually every foreign policy of Bush's, save perhaps the rendition. So why isn't he a war-criminal, too?

Given the present circumstances, the potential for a military coup in this country is about zero.

He's aware of the claim, thinks it's petulant nonsense.