And guess what, it was stupid of Bush and the Republicans to do so with Money we didn't have, and it is just as Stupid of Obama and the Democrats to continue those bail outs with money we don't have. The liberals all are screaming about Bush's deficit spending, and now Obama and the Democrats have tripled the deficit in one year, and is planing to add even more with their utopian socialist programs that we don't have the money to pay for. All with Money we don't have, printed out of thin air, backed by nothing but the Good Faith and Credit of the Federal Reserve, not Gold, not Silver, not Copper, or Diamonds, but the word of a private bank with no solid assets, only paper bonds worth nothing.
Yes, those who mislead the electorate, YOU and liberals included, You scream about Bush's spending, but yet are more than OK with Obama and the Democrats spending 3 times as much in deficits with no money in the U.S. Treasury, yes joe, in your little truncated world all evil is Republican, and Liberals are the Forces of Sweetness and Light, they both have screwed the electorate in the 2 decades, spending money on pork and power. The difference between your Liberal Democrats and the Republican in the last 2 decades is that, the Democrats are spending us into oblivion at a pace 3 time faster than the RINO Republican ever accomplished. So you went bankrupt.
LOL, I see you are well on your way to another banning. And that is what happens when all you have to contribute is personal insults. I think that just goes to show the weakness of your positions. You seem to have trouble understanding when one should be saving and when one should be spending. When george II was president he should not have engaged in two wars without funding them. He should not have greatly expanded Social Security benefits without funding them. I don't what is so hard to under stand about that very simple fiscal concept. All you can do was say no a bunch of Democrats infliltrated our party leadership and did some stupid things. There is plenty of evidence for the stupid and corrupt things the Republican Party did. But there is no evidence that any of them were or have ever been Democrats. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Two, I never say anything about the traditional liberals as they really are not relevant to the discussion. If we use your definition of liberal or the limbaugh defination of liberal, it is anyone who disagrees with you. And I understand why that bothers you. But it really shouldn't. America is about differences. Look at our motto. And no the company I founded and successfully ran did not go bankrupt. You are really a pathetic sad old man if that is the best you can do, and unfortunately it is the best you can do.
Buffalo Roam, are you saying the Republicans would not have bailed out the banks? They would have let them fall hard? And take out the whole financial system with it? My understanding is that they were too big to fail, and while bailing out is unpalatable, it was needed for the greater good. In the aftermath, these banks need breaking up to prevent them getting too big to fail again, over and over again. I thought thats what Obama was outlining recently. Do the Republicans have serious alternatives? For my information, what are they exactly? I find it hard to believe McCain/Palin would have let Wall Street implode, especially since the bailouts started under GWBs' watch. Or was that a fuzzy dream or something. Wasnt that Hank Paulson and George Bush?
McCain was for the bailout and so was Palin. However, many of their supporters do not know it. What is really scary though is that there were a lot of Republican congressmen and Senators who voted against the bailout. Thank God there were enough Democrats and defecting Republicans who did vote for the bailout bill.
We scream about Bush's spending because it reveals the hypocracy. We are not against spending any more than a family is against saving for college even though they are having a rough time at the moment. They know that spending can pay off in the future. That's what the Democrats are doing. We spend on things that pay dividends in human capital. It's a worthwhile investment, not a luxury.
I hope you have a a few bucks in the bank my friend. My lawyers want to talk with you about your slander.
God, that is some kind of fantasy world you live in Buffalo Roam. First as you well know, the "stimulus" package was clearly necessary. Even McCain and Palin were for the stimulus package. Because their advisors saw the clamity that awaited the US and world economy if governments around the world did not act to stimulate their economies. That stimulus spending plus the two wars and the expansions made to Medicare - all of which were not funded by the previous Republican administration and congress were responsible for that (deficit) which you are blaming the Democrats. Ironicly it was not the Democrats who expanded "idealist social programs" it was the Republicans, your leaders, who did same. It was your leaders, Republicans, who have been ginning up the old printing presses these last eight years to pay for the aforementioned programs without increasing taxes or cutting other spending to pay for them. And finally, the paper you claim is worthless, I will take all of it you don't want. And I suspect you want all of it you can get your hands on. So it really isn't worthless is it. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
OMG OMG OMG Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Perhaps Buffalo and I have found some common ground... that BOTH the GOP and the Dems suck? If the American people want real change, then, we need to elect people who (A) are not already in office (especially the career politicians) (B) do not vote for a Dem or a GOP the next time around. If Americans keep voting in the same people or people from the same parties then it will remain business as usual because if they're already in there an fucking it up they'll continue to do so and if they're not in there but in the same party then they'll just be told what to do and how to do by The Party regardless of who is in charge. Vote Greens, Vote Independent, Vote Libertarians, just don't vote for a GOP or Dem. One last point I'd like to make, Obama is pretty much carrying on with Bush II policies. I personally can't see much if any difference at all. A couple centuries ago a lot of people were scared to live without a hereditary ruling aristocracy. Both the commoner and the blue blood alike thought that this was the best system. People were worried shitless that if they got rid of the ruling elite the economy would collapse and all hell would break lose. English and Germans living in the USA worried about about locing everything they had worked hard for and the English (in England) gloated that this would be the case and we'd come running back begging them to take care of us. Maybe it was a little hard, for a short period during and after the Revolutionary War. But, I hope everyone realizes that it was well worth the effort??? The point is both the commoner and the blue bloods believed in the system. That things should stay as they are. This is the natural way and people really DON'T LIKE CHANGE for as much as they say they do. Well I do like change. And I'm not worried about having change. I feel now we live in a world where people worry that their life will collapse along with the economy if we don't maintain and keep the ruling elite. Only now they're not called Aristocracy they are called Banking CEOs. But don't make a mistake - they are blue bloods. The leeches have come back in full force. They think we need them and now, sadly, many of us think we need them too. Well, I for one don't. Our forefathers built a system that was MEANT to COLLAPSE once in awhile. THAT was the genius of it. It could collapse without the need to fight a bloody war. Economic Collapse is supposed to happen. It's the only way to remove the aristocracy. We have layers and layers of means to do this. All the way from the vote to the right not to buy products. If anyone here thinks that we're going to get rid of the ruling elite, at least some and for a short period, to start over fresh again, WITHOUT a pinch - then they're living in a fantasy world and I can imagine the Americans who built this nation rolling over in their graves. BUT that pinch is a lot less painful than a War. Well, I for one have faith that the same people who ruined us will take us to hell so there's still hope people can and will pull their heads out of their arses. maybe..... we can still have that collapse after all?
This is what confuses me as well. Republicans need to realize that they were being played. BUT also, WE need to realize that the Democrats are playing us!! I'm telling you, this whole GOP -vs- Dems is just one big ruse. We're BOTH being played. That's a bitter pill to swallow, but, I'm willing to admit, I was tricked, fooled, I went along with it all too. If we really want to change things then we really do need to change the system by voting for anyone but a Dem or GOP ... AND we have to have the courage to let the economy collapse. It's not our job to save the World Economy and I promise things may be bad but they will get much better then they are. We are in such bad shape that the sort of change we need is nearly at the point of a Civil War.
I said a whle back that a second Civil War may be likely. You might not have to wait very long if that is the case.
Very good post. Now you know the problems. On top of that our ruling class are clueless in a highly technical and globalized society. The Collapse is still coming...
Well I can agree with you that both parties are not very good. And we are always faced with a decision at the ballot box of twiddle dee or twiddle dumber. And I would further agree that the Consitituion is in dire need of change. Government is definately not working for the citizens of this country. But I would hope change can occur without violence. Unfortunately, as each day passes that looks less and less likely.
I have this picture in my mind of Uncle Sam (as in the USA not S.A.M. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!) with thousands of fat leeches sucking the life out of him. All the while GOP and Dems arguing on the best way blood letting should take place, from the neck artery or the thigh? Of course every time we try to have a say the argument goes back to neck or thigh, neck or thigh, neck or thigh! People are pounded with neck or thigh they aren't stopping to think, hey, maybe blood letting is actually killing the patient! Ripping those f@cking leeches off WILL probably hurt. But, it's what has to happen or we're going to lose the patient!
We have two political groups. The race is who can get most money out of the treasury. One group, by cutting taxes severely gets money in their pocket from the businesses. The other group by spending money from the treasury to the contractors get money in their pockets. Either way, the citizen is screwed.
except you didn't hop on the bandwagon against bush when it became expiedent to do so you always felt that way.
I mean you always felt bush was a fuck up. buffalo voted for him supported him and than when he was a lame duck started speaking out against him.
No what I have been saying is that I didn't agree with the bail outs wether from the Republicans or the Democrats, all they did was repeat the mistakes of FDR and His big government bailouts of the 30tys which entrenched the U.S. in a depression for a decade. For all the bragging about Job's Saved or Created, we are still losing jobs, 85,000 last month alone. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm So what did the bailouts do? what jobs were saved? we still have 6.1 million people out of work, and it is not getting better. Republicans, Democrats, both were wrong in bailing out Wall Street, rather than Main Street, the biggest job growth sector has been government, and that is being paid for by taxes, and generates no profit.
