No such a thing as premature ejaculation!

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  1. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    So I am reading my Men's health book and suddenly I ran into the chapter on premature ejaculation (PE). I always thought this was a bunch of baloney, so I read the definitions, and guess what, I was right!

    In the following quotes the definitions are from Wikipedia, because they are the same as in the book and easier to quote.

    First, let's make a logical assumption: The whole phrase was most likely created by a woman! See later.
    Second, the phrase "making love" is a big fucking missnomer, because it is not love what you are making but (yes, you guessed it right again) babies!

    So if the object of "having sex" is making babies, as long as the penis is inside the vagina and the ejaculation occures there, there is nothing premature about it!!! But let's have a look at the definitions, mind you nobody agrees on what the correct definition is:

    >Premature ejaculation (PE), also known as, rapid ejaculation, rapid climax, premature climax or early ejaculation, is the most common sexual problem in men, affecting 25%-40% of men.

    OK, it is not a definition yet, but we have a problem of characterising it as a sexual problem. Now if it occurs in almost half (40%) of the men, could it be that it is actually NORMAL?

    >It is characterized by a lack of voluntary control over ejaculation.

    Excuse me? Unless you are a pornstar and have to save it for the moneyshot, as long as your penis makes it into the vagina, you are good naturally speaking and forget about voluntarism...

    >Masters and Johnson stated that a man suffers from premature ejaculation if he ejaculates before his sex partner achieves orgasm in more than fifty percent of their sexual encounters.

    This is the biggest load of crap I ever read as a definition. Mind you an important part of this definition is not your ability to voluntarily control ejaculation, but your partner's ability to fucking achieve it!

    >Other sex researchers have defined premature ejaculation as occurring if the man ejaculates within two minutes of penetration;

    How they come up with 2 minutes? If you ask women, most of them would be shortchanged with the 2 minutes limit, agreed ladies? Again, originally sex is god's trick to make people making babies, thus as long as the penis is in the strategic area, semen! off you go!!! What is the point in waiting 2 minutes? That is a lots of energy wasted and could be used for gathering food or hunting animals.

    >however, a survey by Alfred Kinsey in the 1950s demonstrated that three quarters of men ejaculate within two minutes of penetration in over half of their sexual encounters.

    And here we have another mathematical problem!! if 3/4 of men do it, than it is actually the norm and not the exception!! So let's turn it around! If you need more than 2 minutes before you ejaculate, you are freaking slow and you should see a doctor!!

    >Today, most sex therapists understand premature ejaculation as occurring when a lack of ejaculatory control interferes with sexual or emotional well-being in one or both partners.

    This one is the last and most PC and also totally bullshit definition. let's not waste time with it...

    Now there is actually a case of PE, when the ejaculation occurs outside of the female body, before the penis reaches the bombing targetzone. yes, that is actually premature, even by natural standards. The good news is that there are 2 cures for it:

    1. Age. Once you age you slow down and I guarantee when you are in your 50s, it won't be a problem anymore.

    2. Repeat after a short recovery time. In case you don't want to wait 35 years before making babies, just wait a few minutes (for teenagers recovery time can be close to zero) and repeat.

    Now in the very rare case when somebody can't make it into the vagina 3 times in a row (after 2 recovery times) then I could call it natural premature ejaculation, but in a nice PC way, we could also call it overexcitement.

    Actually, nature's is happy with fast ejaculation if followed by fast recovery time. After all, the male members of most mammals this way can impregnate the most females. And that would be nature's ultimate goal.

    Imagine the bull screwing one female and a dozen other females waiting in line, and the bull looks at his watch and turns towards the rest of the herd:
    "Sorry ladies, but this lady still have 90 seconds left until the 2 minutes limit, so I have to hold back for a while longer!"

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  3. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    No such thing as "premature mature ejaculation"
     
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  5. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Correct. Oh I forgot the best definition, it is only in the book:

    >Others say PE is one that occurs in less than 50 thrusts.

    I can't decide if we are making here babies or butter???? Also I forgot to explain, why I think the whole phrase was created by a woman. I am not an expert in gay sex, but I assume there is no PE in gay sex. Why? Because the partner's ability to orgasm doesn't depend on how long you are able to stay hard. Anybody gay correct me if I am wrong...

    I also bet historically speaking that PE didn't exist let's say 200 years ago. At least I don't remember reading about it in the Bible. (Onan's act was voluntery, thus not PE)

    P.S.: For extra credit, the correct phrase when ejaculation takes a long time is: Retarded ejaculation
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    What if your not making babies but trying to get one another to achieve orgasm? What if the man ejaculates into his condom - rolls over - falls asleep instantly, before the women is anywhere near achieving orgasm, leaving her frustrated and swollen with no relief, she dumps the loser the next day and goes for a man that can please her. Man should care about pleasing woman or else they are going to not get much puntang by property of none of the ladies coming back.

    Human sex is not like bull sex the male penis is design to try to scrap out competitor semen hence the constant thrusting action, Bulls and other ungulates have sex lasting less then 30 seconds, this is because they use shear quantity of semen to wash out competitors semen.

    Sure it's PE is a PC concept, so is equal rights for women, not owning slaves, not conquering others, etc.

    Oh by the way this thread should be cesspooled.
     
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  8. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    I'm reminded of the old joke: "Know the sound of a satisfied woman? Didn't think so."
     
  9. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Then god would have created men who last longer....

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    Also you never heard of using hands,tongue, or sextoys? Most women don't climax by vaginal intercurse only anyway...

    P.S.: Cesspool? Dude, we are discussing a valid biological missconception!! In case you are female, I understand your displeasure with the topic...
     
  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Most man do last longer

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    A good player knows how to get what he wants and what she wants all at once, its not as effective if you just sitting there rubbing/sucking her off.

    This will go to the cesspool, the subject will degenerate fast, it already is.
     
  11. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Thats why premature ejaculation is considered more of a psychological disorder than a physical disorder and is only diagnosable if it causes distress for a man. Meaning that if his partner is frustrated with their sex life than that might be cause for distress. If it does not cause any distress for the man or his relationship then it is not considered premature ejaculation and is not a sexual disorder/dsyfunction. I just finished taking a class on sex therapy.
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    really?

    What was it like cutsie?
     
  13. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Not according to research, but don't let facts distract you. According to the research 3/4 of men finish under 2 minutes, so where is your most men?

    But let me further confuse you:

    What if I finish under 30 secs and 20 trusts (thus I have PE by 2 defininitions) but my wife STILL get an orgasm?? (thus by 1 definition I don't have PE)

    Confusing, isn't it??

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  14. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    As I pointed out in my above post, the definition is partner-dependent. What if I can go for 2 hours, but my partner needs 3 hours?? Do I have PE???

    Of course not. Making a definition when the length of the sex act depends on the partner is just plain silly. My definition is much simpler not to mention more correct....
     
  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Your partner should not take 3 hours if you do it right, if it takes that long for her to achieve orgasm then your either "doing it wrong" or she got a problem.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Any lack is defined by need. What is so unusual about that?

    A couple would only go to a therapist for PE is one of them felt the other one was getting off too fast. Its an individual case by case notion, but that does not make it any less an issue.
     
  17. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly my point. So instead of male premature ejaculation we could talk about retarded female orgasm (retarded means delayed in this case)...
    And it was just an example showing the stupidity of the PC definition

    Not to mention if I can still stay hard after ejaculating, then it doesn't matter from the statisfying point of view, when I ejaculated...It only matters from the babymaking point of view, thus my correct definition.

    P.S.: It is also funny, that we expect males to be able to control themselves, but no such an expectation for females, like voluntarily achieving orgasm....

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  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Babymaking is not the objective of most sex, I could make the argument that sex exist only to spread diseases and that we were created by the god of Chlamydia for clamydia and nothing more, the use of protection throws a wrench in both arguments. True sex functions to reproduce, achieve this by making it pleasurable, human can circumnavigated the troublesome reproduction problem (and disease spreading problem) to get to the sweet honey of pleasure without consequences.

    I don't think it's fair to call this an unreasonable PC definition, many man would like to ejaculate after long passionate meaningful sex of which their partner is fully satisfied and not likely to leave them over the most demeaning of failing of being awful in bed, assuming the partner can achieve orgasm and in a reasonable amount of time and the only problem being the man is cuming to quickly then these man would express their problem as premature ejeculation, how else should they express it?

    I don't think it is comfortable pumping on after ejaculation, it designed that way to prevent a man from plunging out his own semen. Although some man can achieve the art of multiple ejaculations make the mythical result of multiple orgasms in man a reality.
     
  19. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Nowadays not. But OK, I will indulge you. If not than why are we worrying about "premature" ejaculation? As I already mentioned, the pleasure-making doesn't have to stop after ejaculation, so what's the degrading phrasing??

    OK, I will coin phrases:

    --Insufficient love-making technic
    --Lazy lover's syndrome
    --Selfish sexasshole
    --Retarded female orgasm
    etc.etc.

    Those are describing the situation way more correctly than calling it PE.

    What people should realize that by design the male and female orgasm work differently. Calling this difference with a stupid and incorrect medical term doesn't help the case...
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If men stayed hard after premature ejaculation, nobody would care.
     
  21. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    1. For babymaking purposes, it would still be premature.
    2. I see you don't seem to believe that men can stay hard after ejaculation. Do you care to make a poll about it?
     
  22. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    They can sometimes. Not all the time but sometimes.
     
  23. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    What do you mean more correct? My definition is the definition. I pulled it right out of the DSM-IV. If there is no psychological distress it is not premature ejaculation. So if it doesn't bother a man or his partner if he always climaxes before they actually have intercourse then there is no problem. All sexual disorders are psychological, if their is a medical compontent then they are no longer sexual disorders. Like erectile dysfunction caused by nerve damage.
     

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