Nitrogen fluoride ?

Discussion in 'Chemistry' started by Dinosaur, Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Is nitrogen fluoride a dangerous explosive?

    The Bombing incident at the Boston Marathon reminded me of my teenage experiments with explosives.

    I made nitrocellulose (gun cotton) & black gunpowder. I could have made nitroglycerin or nitrogen chloride, but considered them too volatile & dangerous. I never considered TNT, perhaps because it is more difficult to make, but do not actually remember why not.

    Nitrogen chloride is a really nasty explosive: Direct sunlight will cause it to detonate.

    I just looked up nitrogen fluoride & it does not seem to be a serious explosive. I thought that fluorides were more active than chlorides, but I studied chemistry circa 65 years ago & could be wrong on this.

    BTW: I was partially responsible for the death of one of my classmates. A mutual friend described my experiments with explosives. My classmate made a pipe bomb & tried to tamp the black gunpowder with a metal rod. A spark caused ignition & the rod was embedded in his stomach.

    I felt guilty for many years until a friend of mine mentioned the Darwin awards, which helped a bit & made me think that my classmate might have sooner or later done himself in anyway.
     
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  3. arauca Banned Banned

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    I believe the electronegativity of fluorine is higher then of nitrogen therefore it will be a more stable compound as other halogen are closer to nitrogen that will make chlorine less stables
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Auraca seems to be right. Certainly NF₃ seems quite stable and actually has some application as an industrial chemical in the manufacture of electronics. I see it is the only one of the nitrogen halides to have a -ve enthalpy of formation. In general the high electronegativity of F would I think lead one to expect the ionic fluorides to be very stable. HF is a very strong acid of course, but then that is covalent and in that case the electronegativity of F accounts for its tendency to dissociate into H⁺ and F⁻, i.e. the stable ionic form of F. This easy dissociation is not available to a species like NF₃ though, due to lack of a suitable stable N cation (N itself has quite high electronegativity). Same goes for organic (carbon) fluorides which are also very stable.

    I see the lower halides (Cl, Br, I) form N Hal₃ molecules in which the dipole is such as to leave a partial +ve charge on the halogen: not the normal state of affairs, and that steric effects also play a role in lowering the stability of them, esp. NI₃, which of course is notoriously unstable.
     
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  7. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    I don't believe so, but Nitrogen Tri-iodide is. My recollection is it's to do, in part at least, with stearic hinderance.
     
  8. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Well "stearic" would mean fatty, so "stearic hindrance" would be the sort that it makes it hard to get 3 Texans in the back of an SUV

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    . I think you mean "steric". But yes indeed.

    By the way I was intrigued to find out that the notorious "nitrogen tri-iodide" that we all made at school (the lovely stuff that goes pop when you tread on it, emitting puffs of psychedelic purple (iodine) smoke, is not in fact strictly NI₃ but NI₃.NH₃, an adduct in the crystals of which there are chains of -NI₂-I-NI₂-I- , with NH₃ molecules between the chains. This strikes me as interesting, in that it seems to involve a rather unconventional bonding scheme, involving both a dative N -> I bond AND a second bond from I to the next N. Evidently some empty d orbitals in I are getting involved in the bonding, or something. (Confess I'm a bit rusty on this stuff.)
     
  9. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    It seems that my memory of chemistry had a reversed view of the periodic table. The rows with for lower atomic numbers tend to bind tighter & the rows with higher numbers tend to be less stable. Hence nitrogen fluoride more stable & nitrogen iodide less stable than nitrogen chloride: I remembered it backwards.

    I suppose that a modern teenager could not easily buy concentrated sulphuric or hydrochloric acid & various other chemicals I had access to. I am guessing it is still possbile to buy the chemicals required for black gun powder, which is not much of an explosive.

    There are a lot of gadgets/chemicals no longer easily available. My first 3-4 cars had a search light usable by the driver for looking at street signs & house numbers at night. Many teenagers used them to blind oncoming drivers and to annoy people with picture windows in their homes. I miss that optional item which has not been available to civilians for circa 50 years. I wonder if any state allows them for civilian use.
     
  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Know what you mean. I bought a chemistry set for my son, but almost all the interesting chemicals I recall, from when I had one at a similar age, are no longer considered safe. What a bore. No wonder we all worry about the low take up of the sciences at school these days.
     
  11. arauca Banned Banned

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    Not safe . you and I we are alive , I did not think about safety in my classes nor at work I did not think I will make 40 years old yet with all that I an not far away from double at that age .
    I think that safety safety is blown out of proportion.
     

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