My path to atheism: Yours? Rebuttals?

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  1. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    You say your god just IS, where's your proof.
     
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  3. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.
    This has been explained to you countless times already.
    Thus when one says "I lack belief in God" there is zero implication that God IS.
    There is simply the explicit statement that one lacks a specific belief, a belief that others have but that the person does not.

    So, are we finally done on the issue of how an atheist lacking belief in God is not implying that God exists?
    Are we finally clear that the definition of atheist makes no such implication?
    Are we finally done with the semantic garbage that you have piled onto this thread that it now more closely resembles landfill than an actual discussion?

    So you keep repeating again and again, as if repeating it makes it any less wrong now than it was when you first stated it.

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  5. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Well, when it's all ya got...
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Dodge what?
    What do you want proof of? God?

     
  8. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    You don't have any, so why would I ask?
     
  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Wait a minute. You lack belief in belief in God, not God. You lack God, which is why you don't believe in God.

    It is as the American Atheists site put it.
    Atheism is a lack of belief in the assertion of God. This makes sense as there is no God for the atheist to believe, or lack belief in.

    If you lack belief in God, using at least one of the many definitions of "lack", you are without God. This implies that there Is God, and you are without.

    Jan.
     
  10. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Why would you ask anyway?

    Jan.
     
  11. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    That's what I said.
     
  12. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    You keep using the word "implies" fallaciously.
     
  13. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Why are you asking for proof? As though not being able to prove God, means your position is correct.

    Where is
    proof that there is no God?

    Jan.
     
  14. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I mean, even if I had proof, why would you ask?

    Jan.
     
  15. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    We don't have to prove a negative any more than you do. You make the positive claim that there is a god or gods or powerful imaginary friends or whatever. Burden of proof is on you.
     
  16. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    You don't have proof, so it's a legitimate question.
     
  17. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    "There is no God" is a positive assertion.

    Jan.
     
  18. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    That's why I don't say that. I say you have no proof of any god or gods. If think you do and that self-delusion is strong enough for you to try to articulate it, trot that puppy out.
     
  19. river

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    god is about the source of intelligence , evolution in intelligence and form .

    The Universe IS about the intelligence . The Universe is conscious .
     
  20. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    ???
    Even you said, just a moment ago, in post #320:
    "So it is the actual belief, the other person possesses, that you lack."
    And then you went on to say "No matter...", thus implying that you understood this to be my/our position.

    And now, not a few posts later, you are changing your position to "you lack belief in belief in God"???

    As you previously said, it is the actual belief (in God) that I/we lack, not "belief in belief in God" that we lack.
    So stop being so tiresomely inconsistent.
    Stop being so blatantly dishonest.
    Stop being a troll.
    I lack the belief that God (or gods) exist.
    Yes, atheism is a lack of belief that god(s) exist.
    It is not the lack of belief in belief in God.
    It is not the lack of belief in belief that god(s) exist.
    It is simply the lack of belief that god(s) exist.

    You have this belief (that god(s) exist).
    I lack that belief.

    This even conforms with the understanding of "lack" that you have currently seemed to be insisting upon.

    Anyone with an ounce of understanding would comprehend this and move on.
    Anyone with an ounce of decency would stop trolling the way you are.
    So you're back to cherry-picking a definition to suit your argument (as you have been accused of in the recent past) rather than listening to what the atheist is telling you and then selecting the definition that actually matches what they are saying.

    So again I say that you are dishonest, and that you are simply here to troll.
    Begone, Jan Ardena.
    Go and crap over some other poor website with your pitiful and dishonest ways.
     
  21. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    You'll also note, the more unfortunate you are to deal with Jan, that while he claims to understand the agnostic atheist position, he will ultimately just lump us all together under the blanket of strong atheism, thus giving him a retreat to the (fallacious) notion that we make claims regarding the non-existence of God.
     
  22. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, but we're not getting a pulse. As Universe is an donor we'll start harvest its organs right away. If you want any of the left over bits call dibs now, please.
     
  23. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    I have hundreds of relatives around here. 23andMe listed 1165 people in my family group, and that's just the ones who would do such a sciency thing. The rest are SoBaps, snake handlers, or worse. I'm used to people offering to kill me so I'd KNOW God was real. Jan is chump change.
     
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