Muslim Mob Torches Christian Neighborhood in Pakistan

I have never ever given you permission to use my real name in the open and public forums, Balerion.

Not once.

I have never ever given anyone permission to do that on this site or any other site.

I also certainly did not give you consent or permission to turn my name into an insult.

It is not a matter of anonymity, but a matter of respecting someone's privacy, Balerion. You can drag this out as much as you want and need to. But using my real name and turning it into an insult crossed the line and you know that and trying to blow it back onto me and blame me for your short coming's isn't fooling anyone.


So grow up, and stop with the school yard childish insults of twisting people's names around and do not ever use my name on in the public forum again. And that is a moderator warning about using my name in the public forum of this site.

So edit it out or get one of the administrators to edit it out if you can no longer use the edit function, or I will issue you with an infraction for breaching my privacy and using my real name on the public forum without my consent. You have absolutely no right to do so and no permission to do so. This is the second time I have had to ask you to remove it and you haven't yet. I won't ask a third time. Have I made myself clear?

 

It was not consent.

In fact, in the post you posted, I said that I would call you by your screen name and refused to use the real name you asked me to refer to you as because doing so would mean that I would feel obliged to give you my real name.. How you view that as "explicit" consent is beyond me.

But you have used my name twice in this thread. The second time after I explicitly requested you edit it.

So edit both please.

Thank you.

 

Cute. Now put it in context of how it was said:

Seeing how I distinctly said that I would just call you "Balerion" from now on was kind of a glaring lack of consent. The fact that I never called you by your real name specifically because it could result in my being obliged to allow you to use my nick name or real name on this site and in fact, clearly stated that I would just call you "Balerion" instead is kind of a glaring lack of consent.. I also clearly said that it was my friends who refer to me as that.. You and I are not friends by any stretch of the imagination. Again, clear lack of consent.

Context, subtle and down right in your face context, is everything.

No it is not consent, Balerion. I even said I would rather call you "Balerion" instead of by your real name that you begged me to refer to you by on this site, because I clearly did not want you to refer to me by some nickname and it was certainly not consent for you to then use it as an insult.

Excuse me, but I have every right to request that you do not call me anything that is not my screen moniker here and I have every single right to demand that you respect my privacy. Had you pulled this stunt on another member, I'd have banned you immediately, as I have done in the past when members had breached the privacy of other members without their consent.

You have every single obligation to adhere to this site's rules and respect their privacy when you post here. Have I made myself clear?

 

And I still never gave you consent to use it on this site.

Get it yet?

I explicitly did not give you permission when I said I would rather call you Balerion instead of your real name which you begged me to use, because I would not want you to call me by that nickname or any other name for that matter, and when I clearly and explicitly said that my friends sometimes refer to me as that... We are not friends, Balerion. Never have been and never will be. Really, how you see explicit consent there, I honestly do not know. Even when I explicitly told you to edit it here, you still went ahead and used it again.

I never once gave you express and explicit permission, nor did I even imply that you could call me that. In fact, I was very clear that I would not call you by your real name after you begged me to do so because I did not want you to refer to me by that nickname or my real name.

What part of "no" don't you quite understand?

I will be clear again. You are not allowed to call me by anything other than "Bells". You are under every obligation to adhere to my request and to respect my privacy.

So you can run along now. Your puffing out your chest and trying to be some big thing here isn't working on me and never will. Consider this a clear and explicit warning. I have requested in this thread that you not use my name, you used it anyway. I request that you respect my privacy and not use it, repeatedly, and you push and tell me you are under no such obligation and then try to twist what I had said back then and put it completely out of context.

So to be clear and explicit yet again.

You are never ever allowed to refer to me by any name that is not Bells. You will respect my privacy at my request, just as you will respect the privacy of any member of this site, as per this site's clear and explicit rules. Failure to do so will see you banned from this site.

 

No I actually didn't.

I clearly said, I would be calling you Balerion because if I did call you by your real name, then it could result in your having to call me by my nickname or real name. Now show me where I have ever called you or referred to you by your real name aside from that one post when I responded to your request that I do so?

I can say my name as much as I want. You and no one is allowed to use it unless I give explicit consent to use it. Even when you gave your real name in that thread, if someone else had used it without you giving your explicit consent, they would be moderated.

Right Balerion. Whatever you say.

And here is what you do not understand. I never gave you permission or consent to refer to me that way. I also explicitly and repeatedly requested that you not do so and that you respect my privacy.

So yes, I do have a right to privacy and I do have a right to you not invading it and breaching it and then trying to bully your way into invading it further.

My name may be 'out there' and it may be a matter for public record. However, you do not have consent to use it and never have.

And if you ever feel so tempted to use it as your signature, let me remind you of this site's rules:

And I see that you continue to not respect my privacy even though I have repeatedly asked you to do so, to by linking to that again. Really, what part of stop and no don't you understand?

I ask you to stop referring to my name and I ask you to respect my privacy and you keep openly refusing to. I explicitly and repeatedly asked you to stop and you refuse to. I have explicitly asked you to respect my privacy and you seem to believe that you have the right to continue to do so. This has now entered the territory of harassment. As a result, I will be issuing you with an infraction for trolling and flaming. If you have an issue with that infraction, you can take it up with the owners of this site and perhaps you can explain to them why you keep invading my privacy and refusing to adhere to a polite request that you cease and desist in invading my privacy. This matter is now closed as far as this thread is concerned. If you wish to pursue it further, please take it up with James or one of the super-mods.

 

Still don't understand the notion of consent?

It actually does matter Balerion.

1) I never gave you consent to use my nickname or my actual name. I certainly never ever gave you permission to use my actual name and never posted that on the forum, and yet, you saw fit to post it here.
2) Even if I had given you consent to invade my privacy in such a manner, the very moment I withdraw that consent, you cease and desist. That you consistently refused to do so says quite a bit about you.
3) It certainly does apply to me, Balerion, because I asked you, repeatedly to stop invading my privacy and instead of respecting my request, you decided to invade it more because you suffer from the mistaken belief that I apparently have no right to privacy on this site.

You certainly do need permission to post anything personal about me.

I'll give you an example. We have had members banned for linking or re-posting photos, names and other personal information that other members had posted on this site, because of the lack of consent. So yes, you do need my permission to use my name on this site. You never had it and even after I advised you that you did not have it, you chose to disregard my right to privacy and used it anyway and then kept linking to where it was as though to make a point. This is harassment. Perhaps you are the type of guy who needs to be in control and disrespect the rights of others to their absolute right to privacy and perhaps you are the type of guy who does not understand the notion of 'stop'. This site's rules are clear. You have absolutely no right to post anything private about me without my consent. You never had it and even when I told you that you did not have consent, you kept posting it and then threatened to have my private information as your signature.

Do you understand now?

Do you understand what consent and permission means? Do you understand that I have every single right to tell you to stop invading my privacy? Do you understand that I have every single right as a poster on this site to not have my privacy invaded and to not be threatened with further use of my private information by you?

What part of "no" don't you understand?

What part of 'you do not have my permission or my consent to use anything private about me, which includes my name, nickname or anything else private or personal about me on this site without my consent' don't you understand? You see Balerion, the moment I asked you to stop and you refused to and used it again, then linked to it repeatedly and then threatened to use it as your signature if you felt like it, you overrode and disregarded the clear fact that you had no consent and were instead decided to continue invading my privacy even after I repeatedly asked you to stop.

The rules are clear. You have NO right to post anything private about me on this site without my consent. Since I repeatedly asked you to stop and repeatedly told you that you did not have my permission to post and instead of respecting my privacy, you kept using it and then kept linking to it and then, to make it worse for yourself, you threatened me with using it as your signature if you apparently felt like it. This is harassment and I want you to stop and I expect you to respect my privacy because you have no right to invade my privacy.

Now, if you cannot understand what consent means and what stop means and what no means, I would suggest you learn fast.

As I advised you before, if you wish to take up the issue of my warning to you about your continued invasion of my privacy and your repeated and continued use of my private information in this thread and posting it in some form or other without my consent, with the administrators of this site, you are free to do so. You can explain to them how my repeated requests that you cease and desist and the fact that you clearly do not have consent to post anything private about me or to invade my privacy is null and void in your opinion because I once said my nickname on this site way back when and therefore, you have every right to ignore the lack of consent because you feel like it. This, of course does not explain your use of my actual name, which I have not posted on this site and which you seem to believe you have the right to use, even when I clearly told you that you did not. So good luck explaining your repeated refusal to stop invading my privacy and threatening to post my private information as your signature, after I explicitly told you stop.

 

Never said hate didn't have a role in it, GeoffP.

I also do not think one could turn around and say that the Holocaust was solely based on hate. One only has to look at the stereotypes Nazi's had of Jews (it even happens now in white supremacist sites and racist groups) and of other groups that were slaughtered to see that hate was just one part of the puzzle, if one can call it that. Greed was a huge factor. Hitler did not have millions slaughtered because he felt like it or simply because he hated them. He wanted to rule an Aryan nation.. He wanted absolute power.

And yet, that is what the history writer's all claim. I am sure Indian and Pakistani historians don't know anything about their own history and culture.....?

Why not?

We've referred to everything else as an example.

It was a localised example. Also, Islam has no central Government or religious figure and if you look at the governance of the 64 Islamic countries, you would clearly see that each is vastly different in how they are Governed and in how minorities are treated and also in how the law is applied. Not all are like Pakistan or Iran, for example.

Why would you have to?

If something is simple and clear, why try to break it down?

In the case of this riot in Pakistan, it wasn't so simple. There were a lot of factors involved.

Are you going to tell me that the settlers in illegal settlements who have taken to harassing Palestinians off their land are doing it just because they hate them? Really?

I think it is about a lot of things.

I do think the blasphemy laws, or the changes made to it, and the radicalised push in Pakistan over the last 40 or so years is an interesting development as Pakistan's population are literally being educated to be radicalised.

Oh wow really? I thought it concerned the religion of East Korea.

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And I think just saying 'it's Islam' while disregarding all other factors involved because it does not suit to recognise them does society a greater disservice.