Mosques No Where Near Ground Zero Meet Stiff Resistance

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by madanthonywayne, Aug 23, 2010.

  1. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    I came across a disturbing story today that highlights the growing anti-Islamic sentiment in the US.
    The really surprising thing is that sentiments now are markedly more anti-Islam than they were right after Sept 11:

    One would have thought that after all these years without a major attack the bloodlust would have cooled. Instead, the steady drib drab of minor attacks and foiled terrorist plots seems to have hardened into a general animosity and suspicion of everything Islamic among a growing portion of the public.

    God help us if there is another major attack.
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    And now coupled with threats of violence for the "Ground Zero Mosque":

    The irony of this shouldn't be lost on anyone really..

    What do you think adds fuel to the general animosity and suspicion amongst the growing public?

    Talk about leading by example..

    As I said.. leading by example.
     
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  5. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    Its a delayed effect, after being too shocked to acknowledge what 9/11 represents. What is disregarded here is that the Muslims have made life impossible for the Jews, making genocidal demands, robbing the ancestral homeland of the Jews and denying it forever, and not allowing any visits or prayers in the Jews' most sacred site - while building minerets and screaming their chants at dawn.

    The mosque should be seen as one effect of Islamic global history - else the point is lost. America is not a racist country and a beacon to the world of religious freedoms - the Islamic regimes are steeped in racism. The NY ground zero is a reflection of the Jerusalem ground zero. There is no such thing as sacred Islamic soil when it is made of robbery and genocide of others. Jerusalem is coming to haunt the world, else none are understanding what is occuring:

    I SHALL MAKE JERUSALEM AS A BURDEN UNTO THE NATIONS.
     
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  7. Gustav Banned Banned

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    if the other protests arose after the one in ny, it might simply be a variation of the copycat effect, a mindless mimicry of a ridiculous meme
     
  8. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    I think the increase in intolerance comes from the right wing media's shift from defense to offense as Bush was replaced by Obama.
     
  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I think you are right to some degree. It seems a bit ironic that the right wing extremist media seemed to have no problem with the close ties the bush family has to the Arab nations.

    I thought it was particularly sweet when george II held hands with the King or Saudi Arabia...very touching. The right wing media never had an issue with our president holding hands with a Muslim king during a period of warfare. No all of a sudden they have a big problem with a multicultural center being built two football fields from ground zero and want us to violate our Constitution in order to effect their will.

    Even more ironic, the arguement comes by those who would normally be pushing the "strict constructionalist" view of the Constitution. I am still looking for that clause in the Constitution that says the Constitution is the supreme law of the land except when they disagree with it.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Why is everyone surprised? Surely you didn't believe the "its not a war against Muslims" BS?

    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/opinion/?id=40719

    This is a commonly expressed sentiment at sciforums.

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  11. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    The reverse seems more credible. Last time I checked, America's constitution is varied from that of Hamas and the Islamic Brotherhood: America is not calling for death of the Islamic infidels, nor is she dumping churches in Mecca - from where the 9/11 martyrs hailed from.

    The fundamental things apply.
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    And yet, Hamas is fighting encroachment of European and American Jews onto its own land, as a government elected by the people of Palestine. While Americans occupy other countries where they install puppet governments and undermine self determination.

    And now, with all these protests against mosques in the US, finally we can stop pretending that the US occupation, by a volunteer army, of other sovereign nations is about anything other than bigotry.

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    Polls: Majority in US against mosque

    So much for freedom of expression, eh?
     
  13. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    No you are just kidnapping and torturing them, or bombing the shit out out of them. It certainly encourages excellent inter-group harmony. (Didn't I read something about turning cheeks?)
     
  14. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    Don't you mean Martian Jews?

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    Heard of the law, NOT TO FOLLOW A CORRUPT MULTITUDE? Sdaam Huessiin and Hitler got a greater voting success than Hamas.


    I don't think this planet will have peace or progress unless all the ficticious Islamic states created by Britain and Europe are booted out - every one is bogus, created in secret [unlike Israel], and are the greatest polluters on earth and the most racist.

    Freedom fighters must start at home - namely 57 Islamic Reime states.
     
  15. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Burning Korans is an exercise of free speech or free religion too.
     
  16. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Freedom of expression would be violated only if the government interfered with the mosque plans. People are allowed to voice unrest at the idea of the mosque. It wouldn't be freedom of expression if they couldn't do that.

    People have a constitutional right to build the mosque there but everyone else also has a constitutional right to say how sucky they think the mosque is. It even says in the article that most New Yorkers acknowledge the right to build the mosque even if they oppose the mosque anyway. But what fun is the truth?

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  17. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Conservative Buchanan says Republican leaders have gone too far in comparing Muslims to Nazi's.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...ar-with-ground-zero-mosque-comments-video.php

    I understand that this weekend a (reported on Morning Joe) had to be rescued from the mob protesting the Islamic center this weekend. The man was pulled from the mob saying that he was not a Muslim. The crowd thought he looked like a Muslim. I think the terrorists have won if this is what America has become.
     
  18. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Banning any religion from having a place to worship is a very dangerous thing to do for it will undermine the constitution that allows all religions for the freedom to hold services where they want to.
     
  19. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    This is a re-post of what I said in another thread:

    Ever hear of divide and conquer?...the responsibility to act 'correctly' is on the people who continue to push this despite the objections of their fellow americans.

    To me, (and this is something I've learned over the years as a husband and father) insistence upon exercising one's right in pursuit of one's own happiness must be subordinated to the supreme rule of love. Love does not seek its own good but rather the good of others. To insist on having their way despite the pleas of these survivors (arising out of the emotional pain they've suffered), severely undermines their crediblity. The purported hope of these muslims is to help establish trust; understanding; what the real nature of Islam is; etc. Well, if they intend to build bridges, wonderful; but wisdom dictates another course of action other than the direct approach. Were they to take into consideration the feelings of the survivors (their fellow Americans) rather then their own feelings/agenda, they stand to make far more headway in the long run/court of public opinion... pouring salt into the wound is not helpful here. Who knows, deferring to these survivors might result in an invitation to build later.

    They have a choice between selfishness or selflessness. If they want a memorial or 'place' near / beside their fellow Americans--who gave of themselves unreservedly in the immediate aftermath--I think the answer is obvious. Barring that, I can come to no other conclusion than this: we are dealing with a completely different 'spirit' here.
     
  20. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Nicely said.

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  21. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    I think you are confusing cause and effect. The increased anti-Muslim sentiment didn't come until after we had invaded and occupied Afghanistan and Iraq and may well be at least partially a side effect of the long wars we've been involved in there.
    Opposition to the "Ground Zero Mosque" is not the same thing as opposition to Mosques in general. I oppose the "Ground Zero Mosque", but have no objection to the three mosques that exist in my home town. Nor would I object if they wanted to build another one.

    I fully support religious freedom. Muslims have every right to build Mosques wherever they want, evea at ground zero. However, I think that to do so would be insensitive and inflammatory. Building a Mosque there would be like building a Shinto Temple at Pearl Harbor during WW2.
     
  22. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Bad comparison, the Pearl Harbor is federal land...not private land. All of the land in this case is private land.

    You can argue wither an Islamic center near ground zero or the International Trade Center (under construction) is tasteful. But they do have a legal right to do so. And people forget, there will be another world trade center constructed on the site. And since Muslims represent about a third of the world population, it seems reasonable and appropriate to me that they would want a center near by.
     
  23. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    There are Shinto shrines near Pearl Harbor.
     

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