Morality and atheism....

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by VitalOne, Jun 5, 2007.

  1. wsionynw Master Queef Valued Senior Member

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    Vital, how do you explain altruistic acts in non human animals? Are they theist animals perhaps?
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    What prevented the Inquisition, the crusades, or the pogroms of Jews in Europe? What prevented the murder of Jesus? The Romans weren't atheists.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    How do you explain violent murderous acts in animals? Are they theist animals perhaps?

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  7. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    Forget it dude. I've brought up something simliar before. You'll have better results trying to convince a brick wall or a stump.

    I think that was in the movie Little Nicky

    So you're telling me that no one goes to hell forever?
    I saw in a History Channel show (Secrets of or Banned from the bible one) and there was speculation that Jesus told one of his disciples that if someone asked God to forgive someone already in hell, that He would and would bring them back up to heaven, but it was supposed to stay on the DL because if everyone knew about that, there would be no accountability or responsibility.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Atheists base their morality on politically correct behaviour.
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Or they could base it on rationality and the study of ethics.
     
  10. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    *cough*

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  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, its true. They go by the mainstream notions of moral acceptability. Unless they are in power, then they have been known to eliminate undesirables in their quest for perfection.Care to prove otherwise?
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    If you only prevent yourself from causing harm to someone because of eternal punishment, then you aren't really ethical at all. It means that you really want to harm them, but you prevent yourself out of fear.

    Eliminating undesireables is a characteristic of religion. Stalin didn't eliminate undesireables out of lack of fear in the afterlife, he did it to maintain his power, just like the Vatican. One could argue that Stalinism was a kind of religion.
     
  13. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Prove? Is that possible?
    And just as I thought we were getting somewhere on the Morality: Religion or Society thread. (I have new data BTW).

    I'd agree the majority probably go by mainstream notions, maybe I'll re-open that thread...
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Then so is Dawkinism

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  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    No, since belief in communism is a kind of faith, Dawkins only offers science. Atheism doesn't atomatically make one ethical, nor does religion. However, religion has shown to be among the ideologies historically used to justify what we would now call highly unethical behavior. Stalin or Lenin didn't justify their violence in the name of atheism, but for the supposed good of their political system.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Dawkinism offers the belief that science is a tool that can test faith. Thats a pretty radical belief IMO

     
  17. 2inquisitive The Devil is in the details Registered Senior Member

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    *cough* You made the statement, you must provide the proof. Remember?

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  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, all moral atheists are politically correct.

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  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    True, and the universe doesn't look like it was designed by a God, nor do our bodies. There is a natural explanation for animal and plant forms that does not require a supernatural influence.


    Religious claims could be considered in a scientific light, however they have been shown to be without any factual basis. Therefore religion is at best a failed hypothesis.
     
  20. 2inquisitive The Devil is in the details Registered Senior Member

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    I believe you are thinking of vegetarians.

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  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    What would a God designed universe look like? What is "natural"?

    Nah its a scientific theory; Dawkins (PBUH) says so.

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  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Being politically correct mean interpreting actions within the context of that society. Religion does the same thing, only within the context of that religion.
     

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