Invert, I've always thought you were intelligent. I've just never cared enough to make it through your ramblings. Also, when I said you lost your intelligence, I was just blowing smoke. Being a peanut. Nonetheless, I don't think I really missed much after page 3 of this thread (my pages are 30 posts long). There were really only 2 or 3 ways that this could of ended, and sure enough, the "debate" between you and gustav ended in one of them, though it's never really over, now is it?