model to toy with for the holy days: The universe as a wave rolling through time.

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by nebel, Dec 23, 2017.

  1. river


    In your first statement you have to prove 2D is ; has , a physical form . 2D is a mathematical concept ; nothing more .

    So far I have seen no proof .
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  3. nebel

    River, the lake, in the model of the OP proposition, like a river, has a surface, that would be ideally 2 dimensional. Once you are in that wave, you realize that there is energy. more to existence than just the 2 dimensions.
    The surface is 2 dimensional. the model is more profound, has (profondeur)
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  5. river


    Surface is not 2D .

    The surface is three dimensional now matter how deep into the micro you go .

    Your using three dimensional things to prove your 2D point .

    Your 2D needs to exist on its own . Independent of any three dimensional objects .
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  7. nebel

    river, a surface if it is curved in the least bit, shows the flatlanders inhabiting it, that a 3d dimension is involved.
    As the OP showed, the thought experiment involves the water, as air breathers we prefer to work on the surface. Just because an abstract surface has no thickness does not mean it does not exists. We float needles and razor blades on water, so it must have a real surface appropriately tensioned like space by gravity.
    Think about the future, that the wave and our surf boards point into. Not a ride that peters out at a shore.
  8. river


    That is a problem ( high lighted ) .

    Your not understanding what three dimensions means .

    In three dimensions the surface is not abstract . It is real . And has depth .
  9. nebel

    You are potting undue restrains*** on the Model -proposed in the OP- to toy with.
    The moment an entity becomes undulated, surface dwellers will realize there is a third dimension.
    Look at the Dirac sea and it's implications. (another water analogy).

    Since the Big Bang, matter, this peculiar form of energy, energy which is uncreated, undestroyable, has been moving through time.
    A wave is a peculiar temporary* shape of water, a form of energy. moving through time too, so, so far the model fits. so,
    Play with it.
    see what surfaces.
    * from the French word for time, le temps
    *** another unduly narrow limitation would be to consider time a river only, a stream of time.
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