Mind Brain

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by Xmo1, Jul 26, 2018.

  1. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)
    It's a difficult subject for me. I don't mean to wander, but some people think about mind, body, soul. Some find the seat of self in the heart. Some find it below the diaphragm. I don't think the mind is a function of the brain, or it's just difficult for me. I think the brain only supervises the mind in a mind-body relationship. It doesn't tell the mind what to think. It only gives permission for the mind to think, to be aware, to have consciousness. Maybe. But then the mind uses the brain as storage, and uses the body as vehicle. Vehicle for oxygen, movement, and action, but those are brain (body) functions. The brain tells the body to do things: Yawn, stretch, run, focus. So they share - it seems to me. To me they look like two different things, and my rationale is that if things appear different they probably are different. Could be that evolution has fogged up the notion so much that is isn't clear to me that they are indeed one thing. Like I say, It's a difficult subject for me.
     
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  3. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    oops; double posted; can't delete
     
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  5. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Ever taken any "mind altering" drugs? If you have, then you know that a chemical passing though the brain can really mess with the mind. IMHO, that seals it. Mind is a function of brain.
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    But the simulation still requires the hardware.
     
  8. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    I don't know mind is a state of brain. I think saying it as mind is a function of the brain would probably be more accurate.
    Yes. That's why the idea that life may be simulation, and other similar notions.
     
  9. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks gmilam. I've seen brain surgery with an awake patient. I know that emotions, the same as limbs or senses can be stimulated and suppressed. How a person gets, processes, and expresses ideas is both difficult and amazing. I'll take mind is a function of the brain. Could be that seeing them as different things just allows studying them slightly easier.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with the second but not the first.

    A vegetative comatose patient with no brain function still has a functioning brain (despite the poor terminology).
    A brain that is functioning still regulates a wide array of bodily functions - such as hormone regulation and organ maintenance - that have nothing to do with mind.

    But, to your point, I agree the mind is subsumed by the brain's functions. It is an emergent property of the brain alone.
     
  11. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    I think it's a brain without a mind.
    If the mind is a function of the brain why is the brain not enabling the mind during those times?
     
  12. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    Large segments of the brain can be damaged without other regions being affected

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  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Why is your air conditioner not always cooling?
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The headlights are a function of my car, but sometimes the lights burn out.
     
  15. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    That was the only point I was trying to make.
     
  16. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    The dictionary is a poor source of information about complex subjects.
     
  17. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    It's not designed to be

    It is there to define whatever such that people in discussion can have clarity they are discussing the same item / concept

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  18. pluto2 Registered Senior Member

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    And I could really care less if you believe me or not.

    Have a good day.
     
  19. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    My take is that consciousness is the observer of both body and mind. Unfortunately consciousness cannot observe itself. It is the apex of personal experience.
     

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