Maths vs Math

Discussion in 'Linguistics' started by D H, Sep 12, 2007.

  1. D H Some other guy Valued Senior Member

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    Maths in England, math in the US.
     
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  3. camilus the villain with x-ray glasses Registered Senior Member

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    maths sounds sooo funny! I guess its cuz I live in the US, but it just sounds weird. But really, we refer to the plural of science as sciences.
     
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  5. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    Do you do "mathematic", or do you do "mathematics"?
     
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  7. 2inquisitive The Devil is in the details Registered Senior Member

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    Do you use math equations or do you use maths equations?
     
  8. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    I just use equations.

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  9. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Do you say "mathematics is cool" or "mathematics are cool?"
     
  10. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    Is there another option?

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  11. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    * * * NOTE FROM THE LINGUISTICS MODERATOR * * *
    In America we treat "mathematics" as a singular noun, like physics, avionics, ballistics, etc. So we shorten it to "math" with no S. Math is cool, mathematics is cool. Physics is cool, avionics is cool, ballistics is cool.

    Brits tend to treat nouns as plural which we don't. "The group are arriving at 10:00." We say the group is arriving. Just one of those little transatlantic idiosyncracies.
     
  12. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    But you still say "maths is cool". Maths is singular, just as mathematics is singular.

    Do educated folk really say "The group are arriving" and consider it King's English? Odd.
     
  13. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, that's why I've never understood the insistence on retaining the s...
     
  14. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Yall aint been talkin about maths for a while now...
     
  15. Blue_UK Drifting Mind Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder when the first person went from maths to math? Or schedule (sch pronounced as in eschelon) to 'skedule'.

    I expect it was a corruption (as happens to all language in all places) and then the Americans retrospectively sort a rationale.
     
  16. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    What makes you think that it didn't happen the other way around? I.e., that math and "skedule" were the original terms, and then someone in Britain changed it? From what I understand, linguists generally consider British English to have changed more than American English since they split apart, so, in general, odds are that the changes took place in Europe, not North America.
     
  17. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    It seems more likely that they were derived from "mathematics" independently.
     
  18. 2inquisitive The Devil is in the details Registered Senior Member

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    What is the title of this forum, Pete?

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  19. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    It's "Linguistics"

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    Sorry, cheap shot.
    For newcomers to the thread, I've just moved these posts from a thread in the Physics and Math forum.
     
  20. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    I use "mathmatics suck", because...math sucks.

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  21. Blue_UK Drifting Mind Valued Senior Member

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    I know that schedule comes from the French language and that it was pronounced shed. However, people who pronounce it sked try and point out how the French word came from a greek work which had a 'k' in it. I find this laughable because it is 'retrospectively finding a rationale' after realising a corruption.

    True there are verbal corruptions in the UK (such as 'litchrely' for literally).

    The point is American English changes artificially as well. The 'u' in colour was not lost through poor education but deliberately.

    I wasn't aware that math and maths developed separately but I can believe it. So long as no one tries to dig through some old greek books in search of a reason that they can say is 'why' they says things the way they do!
     

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