Master Theory (edition 2)

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  1. Tach Banned Banned

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    He must be using an automatic translator program from Russian to English, he doesn't know much English. As a mater of fact, he doesn't know much physics either.
     
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  3. Masterov Registered Senior Member

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    I have a problem with translation into Russian. My dictionaries do not always cope with the scientific terminology. I can not adequately understand the English text is not always a case.

    For example: mater === "brain-tunic" or "mother".
    This is not true. The space-time isotropy setted limits for a types of matter-generator. This generator must be hamiltonian. This means that a solution to his equations will always give a paired results. These decisions will differ a time direction. (For AlphaNumeric also.)
     
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  5. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    Masterov, this is and was my fault. You were being generous when you said my English was good. A complement my English teachers would have had some disagreement with, though it is my first language.

    I used the word "mater" incorrectly and it does indeed translate to "mother". I should have been using the word "matter" all along.

    Spelling was never a strong suit for me and with the advent of spell checkers it has only become worse.

    My apologies, for the confusion. I have since obtained a dictionary of my own. Digital of course. Now the problem will be remembering to use it....
     
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  7. Masterov Registered Senior Member

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    Don't mention apologize. We are not linguists. (Both.)
     
  8. Masterov Registered Senior Member

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    Einstein allege: time can slow down (by acceleration), but time can not accelerate (by acceleration). If time slow down, then - it can not accelerate, can not return back. Traveler will have its own (slow) time on Earth. How can this be?
     
  9. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    No he didn't. What he alleged was the same thing that Lorentz alleged: that an accelerated frame has a slowed time rate relative to a non-accelerated frame.
    Which means a non-accelerated frame has a speeded up time rate relative to an accelerated frame.

    By "time rate" is meant the time recorded by otherwise identical clocks. I read about this when I was 10, and I thought I understood it then (but perhaps not). At least I thought I understood what the twin paradox meant--if you move through space faster than someone else you age less, relative to the slower traveller, who appears to age more quickly. Both travellers see themselves aging at a "normal" rate, and their clocks record time at the same rate locally.
     
  10. Masterov Registered Senior Member

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    That's impossible!

    Return home will require the acceleration, which again slows down time. Subsequent braking will slow down again.
     
  11. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    That's why it was claimed you were repeating one of the mistake of Dingle, because you were focusing on the term \(\frac{\partial \Delta t'}{\partial \Delta t} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\) when the Lorentz transform is more than that, it's \(\Delta t' = \frac{\Delta t - \frac{v}{c^2}\Delta x}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\).

    This is the same mistake as claiming a rotation left by 30 degrees isn't canceled by a rotation right by 30 degrees because \(\cos \, 30^{\circ} = \cos \, -30^{\circ} = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\) when the relevant expression is \(\begin{pmatrix} \cos \, 30 ^{\circ} & \quad & - \sin \, 30^{\circ} \\ \sin \, 30^{\circ} & \quad & \cos \, 30^{\circ} \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \cos \, -30 ^{\circ} & \quad & - \sin \, -30^{\circ} \\ \sin \, -30^{\circ} & \quad & \cos \, -30^{\circ} \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} & \quad & - \frac{1}{2} \\ \frac{1}{2} & \quad & \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} & \quad & \frac{1}{2} \\ -\frac{1}{2} & \quad & \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} + \frac{1}{2}\frac{1}{2} & \quad & \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} \frac{1}{2} - \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\frac{1}{2} \\ \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} \frac{1}{2} - \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\frac{1}{2} & \quad & \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} + \frac{1}{2}\frac{1}{2} \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix} \)

    So you criticize relativity because you don't understand relativity.
    And you don't understand relativity because, at a minimum, you don't understand the mathematics of the Lorentz transform.
    Specifically, you don't understand that a Lorentz transform of v is canceled by a Lorentz transform of -v (in the same direction).
     
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    Moving across a view axis (the distance does not change):

    \(\Delta t' = \frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\)

    \(\Delta x = 0\)
     
  13. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    Attempted translation: "But if the velocity and the x direction are perpendicular, the time-dilation only accumulates."

    Attempted translation: "But if original change in x is zero, the time-dilation only accumulates."

    Response: Untrue. Please consult my previous post.

    Restrict: \(0 < |v| < c\)

    Define: \(\Lambda_x (v) = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} & \quad & \frac{-v}{c^2 \sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} & 0 & 0 \\ \frac{-v}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} & \quad & \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & \quad & 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & \quad & 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix} \)
    Define: \(\Lambda_y (v) = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} & \quad & 0 & \quad & \frac{-v}{c^2 \sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} & 0 \\ 0 & \quad & 1 & \quad & 0 & 0 \\ \frac{-v}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} & \quad & 0 & \quad & \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} & 0 \\ 0 & \quad & 0 & \quad & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}\)

    So \(\Lambda_x (-v) \Lambda_x (v) = \Lambda_x (v) \Lambda_x (-v) = I\)
    Likewise \(\Lambda_y (-v) \Lambda_y (v) = \Lambda_y (v) \Lambda_y (-v) = I\)
    Likewise for \(\Lambda_z\).
    Also: \(\Lambda_x (-v) \Lambda_y (-v) \Lambda_y (v) \Lambda_x (v) = \Lambda_x (-v) \Lambda_y (v) \Lambda_y (-v) \Lambda_x (v) = \Lambda_x (v) \Lambda_y (-v) \Lambda_y (v) \Lambda_x (-v) = \Lambda_x (v) \Lambda_y (v) \Lambda_y (-v) \Lambda_x (-v) = I\)

    This means \(\begin{pmatrix} \Delta t'' \\ \Delta x'' \\ \Delta y'' \\ \Delta z'' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_x (-v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t' \\ \Delta x' \\ \Delta y' \\ \Delta z' \end{pmatrix}\) and \(\begin{pmatrix} \Delta t' \\ \Delta x' \\ \Delta y' \\ \Delta z' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_x (v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ \Delta x \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix}\) together mean \(\begin{pmatrix} \Delta t'' \\ \Delta x'' \\ \Delta y'' \\ \Delta z'' \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ \Delta x \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix}\)

    Proof: \(\begin{pmatrix} \Delta t'' \\ \Delta x'' \\ \Delta y'' \\ \Delta z'' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_x (-v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t' \\ \Delta x' \\ \Delta y' \\ \Delta z' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_x (-v) \left( \Lambda_x (v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ \Delta x \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} \right) = \left( \Lambda_x (-v) \Lambda_x (v) \right) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ \Delta x \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = I \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ \Delta x \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ \Delta x \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix}\). Even if \(\Delta x = 0\) or \(\Delta x' = 0\) we always have \(\Delta t'' = \Delta t\).

    Alternate proof: \(\begin{pmatrix} \Delta t' \\ \Delta x' \\ \Delta y' \\ \Delta z' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_x (v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ \Delta x \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\Delta t - \frac{v}{c^2} \Delta x}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \frac{\Delta x - v \Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix}\), so \(\begin{pmatrix} \Delta t'' \\ \Delta x'' \\ \Delta y'' \\ \Delta z'' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_x (-v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t' \\ \Delta x' \\ \Delta y' \\ \Delta z' \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\Delta t' - \frac{-v}{c^2} \Delta x'}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \frac{\Delta x' - (-v) \Delta t'}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \Delta y' \\ \Delta z' \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\left( \Delta t - \frac{v}{c^2} \Delta x \right) - \frac{-v}{c^2} \left(\Delta x - v \Delta t \right)}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \frac{\left(\Delta x - v \Delta t \right) - (-v) \left( \Delta t - \frac{v}{c^2} \Delta x \right)}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\Delta t - \frac{v}{c^2} \Delta x + \frac{v}{c^2} \Delta x - \frac{v^2}{c^2} \Delta t}{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}} \\ \frac{\Delta x - v \Delta t + v \Delta t - \frac{v^2}{c^2} \Delta x}{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}} \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\Delta t - \frac{v^2}{c^2} \Delta t}{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}} \\ \frac{\Delta x - \frac{v^2}{c^2} \Delta x}{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}} \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ \Delta x \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix}\)
     
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    That is not true. Such a transformation wouldn't leave the space-time interval unchanged. A transform \((\Delta t,\Delta x) \to (\Delta t',\Delta x')\) must be such that \(-(\Delta t)^{2} + (\Delta x)^{2} = -(\Delta t')^{2} + (\Delta x')^{2} \), assuming \(\Delta y\) and \(\Delta z\) are unchanged. This is the central tenant of Lorentz transformations.
     
  15. Masterov Registered Senior Member

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    I did mean sideways movement:

    If:

    \(\Delta x = 0\)

    \(\Delta y'/\Delta t' = v\)

    then:

    \(\Delta t' = \frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\)

    Longitudinal Doppler effect is absent.
     
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  16. Tach Banned Banned

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    So, is your problem that you :

    A. Do not understand Transverse Doppler Effect?

    or

    B. Do not understand the reciprocity of time dilation?
     
  17. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    You still aren't being clear.
    Did you mean:
    \(\begin{pmatrix} \Delta t' \\ \Delta x' \\ \Delta y' \\ \Delta z' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_y(-v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ 0 \\ 0 \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ 0 \\ \frac{v \Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix}\) ?
    Well, \(\Delta x = 0, \; \frac{\Delta y'}{\Delta t'} = v, \; \Delta t' = \frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\) but that doesn't stop me from computing:
    \(\begin{pmatrix} \Delta t'' \\ \Delta x'' \\ \Delta y'' \\ \Delta z'' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_y(v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t' \\ \Delta x' \\ \Delta y' \\ \Delta z' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_y(v) \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ 0 \\ \frac{v \Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}} \Delta t \\ 0 \\ \frac{v \Delta t - v \Delta t}{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}} \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ 0 \\ 0 \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} \)
    And so the Lorentz transform in the opposite direction undoes the coordinate change, including any time dilation effects.

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    Or did you mean:
    \(\begin{pmatrix} \Delta t' \\ \Delta x' \\ \Delta y' \\ \Delta z' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_x(v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ 0 \\ \frac{v}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \Delta t \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \frac{- v \Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \frac{v \Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} \) ?
    Well, \(\Delta x = 0, \; \frac{\Delta y'}{\Delta t'} = v, \; \Delta t' = \frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\) but that doesn't stop me from computing:
    \(\begin{pmatrix} \Delta t'' \\ \Delta x'' \\ \Delta y'' \\ \Delta z'' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_x(-v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t' \\ \Delta x' \\ \Delta y' \\ \Delta z' \end{pmatrix} = \Lambda_x(-v) \Lambda_x(v) \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ \Delta x \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ \Delta x \\ \Delta y \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \Delta t \\ 0 \\ \frac{v}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} \Delta t \\ \Delta z \end{pmatrix} \).
    Once again, the Lorentz transform in the opposite direction undoes the coordinate change, including any time dilation effects.

    It still appears you are repeating the mistake of Dingle and so your criticisms of Special Relativity reveal only your lack of familiarity with Special Relativity and therefore miss the target.
     
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    I was referring to the case:

    \(d|\vec r|/dt = 0\)

    \(d\phi/dt = const\)

    Only transverse Doppler effect.
    Longitudinal Doppler effect is absent completely.
     
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    But you don't understand the TDE, it is a direct confirmation of time dilation.
     
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    Compare both teories:

    If the observer is stationary.

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    then a flight time is independent of direction: \(T_1=T_2=\frac{L}{c} \)

    If the observer moves:

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    then the flight time in different directions will be different for all theories (Einstein's theory included).

    \(T'_1=\frac{L'}{c+v}\)

    \(T'_2=\frac{L'}{c-v}\)

    For both theories: \(T'_1\neq T'_2\)

    In Master Theory:
    \(T'_1+T'_2=T_1+T_2\)

    \(\frac{L'}{c+v}+\frac{L'}{c-v}=\frac{2L}{c}\)
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    Einstein theory:
    \((T'_1+T'_2)\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2} =T_1+T_2\)

    \((\frac{L'}{c+v}+\frac{L'}{c-v})\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2} =\frac{2L}{c}\)
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    In Master Theory:
    \(\frac{T'}{T}=1\)

    \(\frac{L'}{L}=1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}\)

    Einstein theory:
    \(\frac{T'}{T}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}\)

    \(\frac{L'}{L}=\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}\)

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    \(x'^2 - (ct')^2 = 0\) - is not correct.
     
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    This is because "Master" theory is so stupid that it has no notion of time dilation/length contraction. This, in turn, is a consequence of the fact that the "Master" theory is so stupid that it still uses the Galilei transforms (absolute time) instead of the Lorentz transforms.
    The above idiocies mean, amongst other things that :

    1. you cannot explain the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment
    2. your theory fails the invariance of Maxwell's equations (we have already seen ample proof that you don't understand this issue).
     
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    Tach, I wrote to you, that talk to you I have no intentions. Do not you understand me?
    (Apparently, my English is not good enough.)
     
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    This doesn't stop me from pointing out the errors in your theory.
     
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