Man Beheads Wife in 'Honor' Killing

Is that the topic?

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Because that too is irrelevant here. Unless you're profiling people by religion and ethnicity and ignoring the fact that the couple is American. Or are you of the opinion that this case will be added to Pakistan's statistics, not the US?

 

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what a marvelous contradiction!

who's deflecting anything?
america corrected its wrongs, even to the tune of putting blacks in control of the white house. lets see that happen in an islamic culture.

no offense diamondhearts but you should really just shut up, you make muslims look really stupid with your poor understanding of history.

yes, we used nuclear weapons on a military target in a time of war, so what?

and what motives would that be diamondhearts?

 

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And, of course, Muslim men know what's good for Muslim women and you're here to tell us that, right?

What corrupted psychological mindset would codify slavery, lying and rules of war into their religion?

Are you also aware of the motive in which the rest of world would like to see reformation within the Islamic state that would take Islam out of the medieval world of barbarism and intolerance?

 

sam,
the date for the 1950s photo is a little low.
blacks were still having problems as late as the early to mid 60s.

slavery is so disgusting, it pisses me off just thinking about it.

 

oh man! we is gonna see some SERIOUS deflecting now!

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(Q), you may disagree vociferously with me on a certain subject (not mentioning any names now), but there are many things about the mindset of many muslims that I myself find objectionable. Although I know that S.A.M. doesn't like her or atleast her writing style, and while I'm willing to admit that she may go too far in some areas, I found that Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book "Infidel" to be a very educational read.

 

Apparently getting out of barbarism and intolerance means occupying and invading other people and dehumanising them as collateral damages as you throw advanced missiles on their homes and bomb their children.

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i'm not entirely sure but i believe india holds the record for dehumanizing people.

 

That's the off topic that DH raised and which you pursued.

Not in the slightest.

?? What does ethnicity have to do with this?

I am of the opinion that this case is reflective of the low status accorded to women in Pakistan.

 

More deflection.

 

Hatemongers are afraid of history

And how do you think other societies progressed out of barbarism? What, was it their natural, god-given benevolence?

Get your brain out of the damn jar and try reading some history, (Q).

Don't be so afraid of history.

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See above.

 

Good one, T. Hatemongers? Who exactly are we hating, T?

 

Tiassa, I think what you're saying is that societies take time and different societies develop different things at different rates.

I am quite interested in whether you've read or have heard about a former muslim, Ayan Hirsi Ali, who wrote a few books on her experience being born and raised a muslim; perhaps her most well known book and the only one I've read so far being Infidel. If you have, I'd like to know your opinion of her and her work.

 

I'm of the opinion that this case is reflective of the violence against women in the US.

 

uhhhh....

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/rough/2007/04/the_missing_girlinks.html

 

Look to Your Orb for the Warning; or, superficial is no degree of understanding

Muslims, quite clearly. You, personally seem to be stoking an abiding hatred of all people and things theistic.

In the meantime, S.A.M. actually has a viable point. While some are quick to be horrified by people wrapped so wrapped up in religion as to be neurotic or even psychotic, it seems—in the U.S., at least—that, faced with mass murder in pursuit of petroleum resources and other economic rewards, we are supposed to just shrug, maybe mutter, "That's a shame, but we gotta do what we gotta do," and carry on with our daily lives.

Extending that comparison to the inherent violence of a culture, the displacement of violence unto other people does not change the fact that it is violence.

The killing of a wife, or sister or daughter, for honor is twisted. But in the case of individuals or families caught up in such severely dysfunctional philosophical expressions, it is far less an indictment of an entire multinational culture than our fantasy-driven wars in Vietnam or Iraq testify about American culture.

Look back in Western history. The tale of how we emerged from our own systematic barbarism is complicated and dependent on diverse and often subtle factors. But even some very apparent components of our story are absent in the Islamic world. Economy and education, for instance. And, as our Western needs compel us to interfere with such developments in those nations, we contribute to the problem. We could certainly try to help, but so far our help has been limited to coddling tyrants in pursuit of resources and profit thereby abetting the destabilization of the masses, and in some cases actually fomenting extremism. Remember that the now-hated madrassas fueling the Taliban were established with no small contribution by the United States. It helped our fight against Communism to do so, and nobody seemed to recognize—or, if they saw it, nobody seemed to care—about the future implications. I don't know, does "Whoopsie-daisy!" cover it?

To the careful observer of Muslim countries it is quite evident that a phenomenon hardly visible in the 1960s and the early half of the 70s appears to be gaining momentum and mass approval. A growing consensus among an increasing number of intellectuals as well as the common people suggests that “the time has come to try Islam.”

There also is evidence that an increasing number of national governments feel it necessary to appeal to Islamic principles to maintain legitimacy. They do this either through the adoption of Islamic apologetics to justify their policies or through the implementation of various Islamic laws.

There are numerous examples of such efforts in press reports in the 1970s and 80s. In Pakistan, Zia Ul-Haqq, upon assuming office, aligned himself with the Jamaati Islam and attempted to implement Islamic laws. Other nations, including Turkey, Egypt, Kuwait, Libya, Bangladesh, the Sudan and Indonesia, introduced various Islamic laws. Syria found it necessary to explain that Baath ideology is grounded in Islam, while Ja’far al-Numeiry of the Sudan has written a book justifying Islamic government, entitled The Islamic System: Why?

(Haddad)​

No matter how many times I mention this twenty-six year-old article, most people just shrug it off. Much of modern Islamic tyranny is simply the latest incarnation of modern tyranny. Attaching the faith to Ba'ath ideology doesn't seem to have done much to help either the political philosophy or the people who lived under it. And Sudan? Well, we can't really say that painting the governing philosophy with Islam got them anywhere. It is, of course, easier to simply denounce Islam.

Likewise, for comparison, painting up nationalist tyranny with Socialist colors did little, in the end, to help either the Nazis or the Soviets.

It is more convenient and gratifying, then, to blame a shoddy paint job and transfer the outcome to the superficial label than it is to examine and understand the sources of the underlying corruption.
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Notes:

Haddad, Yvonne Y. "The Islamic Alternative". The Link, v. 15, i. 4. September-October, 1982. Americans for Middle Eastern Understanding. http://www.ameu.org/page.asp?iid=120&aid=163

 

Hahahaha.... DH's hero Mohammad used African Slaves like cattle and DH whines about about "Whitey".

Too funny.

 

While I believe there is truth in what you say, I think it could also be fair to say that crummy governments go well with crummy paint jobs. There are, ofcourse, various flavours of islam; I personally go for what I'd call the more liberal ones. On the subject of islam, not sure if you don't want to respond to my post 415 to you or if you just missed it, but thought I'd bring it up in an attempt to find out.

 

True. I stand corrected.