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BA's Terminal 5 proving to be one big hub of chaos
By Julia Werdigier and Nicola Clark

Monday, March 31, 2008
LONDON: Terminal 5 was supposed to be the saving grace for British Airways and London Heathrow, one of the most congested airports in Europe. Instead, as the glitzy new terminal enters its second week, passengers are bracing for more chaos.

British Airways canceled another 54 flights at the new terminal Monday as it struggled with the computerized baggage-handling system that has already led to at least 15,000 pieces of misdirected baggage. The airline, which has canceled more than 250 flights since the gleaming terminal opened Thursday as its main hub, said Monday that the situation was improving daily and that it hoped to fly at full capacity again soon.

But the disruptions, which are set to last for at least the rest of this week, could not come at a worse time for British Airways, which had enjoyed a turnaround under its chief executive, Willie Walsh, who cut jobs and focused on the more lucrative premium travel business between the United States and Britain.

In addition to higher oil prices and declining consumer confidence that weigh on the entire industry, British Airways is facing increasing competition on the North Atlantic routes - its most important long-haul market - as the "open skies" treaty with the United States took effect Sunday night.

"It's a mess," Gert Zonneveld, an analyst at Panmure Gordon in London, said. "The reputation damage from Terminal 5 is their biggest headache and there's a real chance that people will book away from British Airways."

Zonneveld estimated that the disruptions and flight cancellations could cost British Airways more than £25 million, or $50 million.

Analysts at Goldman Sachs cut their recommendation for British Airways shares from "buy" to "sell" on Monday, suggesting that the shares could drop sharply because of weaker consumer demand and "ongoing operational challenges of Heathrow." They also cited more competition on the North Atlantic.

The stock fell 2.4 percent in London, closing at £234.25, down 575 pence.

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Did not a similar situation happened at Denver airport? Could it be the same designer designed the Terminal 5?
 
London is a nightmare for changing flights anyway. After two near misses of connecting flights, I now prefer to go via Frankfurt or even Milan.
 
Anyone from UK ...please tell us what is the real problem at this terminal....Is that a design error?
 
I read a pretty bad review by a traveler on its first day. I think it was on Salon.com...
 
Anyone from UK ...please tell us what is the real problem at this terminal....Is that a design error?
Purely disorganisation from my point of view. The lack of coordination with relevant staff, poor management of resources and failure to implement proper protocols with computer systems.
 
Anyone from UK ...please tell us what is the real problem at this terminal....Is that a design error?
They apparently thought it would be a good idea to test the baggage handling systems, which worked fine for weeks beforehand. The problem was that they never gave the staff the upgraded real work passwords , so the staff got into work late after not finding car parking spaces because they didn't build enough for them, and then found that their log ins wouldn't allow them to process peoples luggage...
So it took a few hours to get the right passwords out to people, and everything proceeded from that.

Or so I heard on radio 4. There were probably other things wrong, but that is what really started it all off.
 
Or so I heard on radio 4. There were probably other things wrong, but that is what really started it all off.

If that is the case then the problems are getting solved. The Denver issue of baggage handling was serious. Rather than use Programmable Logic Controllers (PLC) to handle the logic that runs on Real Time Operating Systems, they used a business computer to control the logic flow. The operating system was not designed to calculate the logic within a specified time (deterministic)...and they used standard ethernet for communication etc. So, that was a mess. The bags will pass the scanners. By the time the computer queries the database and produces the result, the bag has passed its destination location or moved to a new location too early.
 
Anyone from UK ...please tell us what is the real problem at this terminal....Is that a design error?

no it is not a design error, posibly the people who are using the thing don't know how to use it properly!
 
i think when people know how to use it properly it'll be a good idea, but people are knocking the thecnology and not looking at whether or not the staff are trained properly
 
Some comments from a magazine (Businessweek)


Turkophile

Apr 4, 2008 10:05 AM GMT
From a transatlantic flight last year, I only received compensation for baggage lost by snail mailing direct to British Airways' CEO, Willie Walsh. On line service was as lacklustre as on the ground. It is doubly humiliating that British Airways offloads taxes and many other costs (landing, airport, fuel surcharges) onto the passenger as a matter of policy. Heathrow taxes on a recently advertised discounted flight from Istanbul to London (return) are 198 Euros - the fare itself was advertised at 90 Euros. In the current chaos, one can sympathise with hapless and helpless flying fodder.

Peter

Apr 4, 2008 2:06 AM GMT
I stopped using British Airways years ago because of abysmal customer service. This farce is absolutely consistent with what I know BA and is also consistent with how most large organizations in the UK treat people. Abuse them then expect a grudging apology to be all that is required. There are NEVER any consequences

Yvonne

Apr 3, 2008 8:25 PM GMT
I transfered through T5 on 28th of March for a Ireland-bound flight and have not yet received my luggage. I was coming off a Taipei-Hong Kong flight, and in my 2-hour transit experience of Heathrow, I noticed a huge contrast between airport staff in Asian airports and the staff at Heathrow. There were loads of people STANDING AROUND CHATTING all over Heathrow. Even the shuttle bus diver (to get from T5 to T1) had his walkie-talkie on the whole time chatting with his colleagues. I don't know what they were being hired to do, but lots of people just standing around wearing uniforms and chittering with colleagues. Ridiculous.

More at: http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/apr2008/gb2008042_811276.htm
 
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