Let us be honest. Islam’s ideology is immoral to its core. Should we ask the Haigue and U.N. to rule

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  1. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Its both the Koran and the Haddith...see link for examples:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

    If these verses were published in a new book today it would legally classify as 'hate speech'...an indictable offense in many nations. Its legal to think it...but not to publish it in print.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    One of the problems facing the world is the tremendous disparity in educational levels. The fact that a significant proportion of the world is living a life style similar to what may have been the case in medieval Europe. This is not a criticism btw. but just an attempt to put it all in a better perspective.

    A recent and ongoing tragedy is occurring in Pakistan at the moment regarding the conviction, imprisonment and a death penalty of a woman who dared to compare one Islamic prophet with another causing outrage.
    Bibi, a Christian, apparently is guilty of drinking water from a well reserved for Muslims and complained that Jesus would allow a stranger generosity when confronted by an angry and bigoted mob.
    see:
    "MOTHER-of-five Asia Bibi is likely to be hanged for the “crime” of being Christian in a Muslim country, after she was sentenced to death in a Pakistani court on trumped-up charges of blasphemy. Even if the farm worker were guilty of insulting the prophet Muhammad — and the evidence suggests she was not — it is obscene that she should be facing the death penalty for such a spurious “crime”."
    src: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...e/news-story/8e35070af2d6f4d1fc3657b5e61f5a9d
    This Bibi problem is not really about religion, but one of spiritual and intellectual immaturity. A mob of fearful and ignorant people grasping at anything to make themselves feel better, using any excuse to vent their frustration at being in such poor circumstances and refusing to accept that perhaps their religious perspectives may be driving their poverty of expression, education and finances.
    Blaming the religion instead of placing the blame where it belongs is not very helpful.
    as is blaming the availability of guns instead of the men firing them is also not very helpful.
    The Quran and the Haddiths, as is the bible, are only Books open to interpretation. It is the responsibility of the individual as to how they effect their circumstance.
    So banning a religion is not going to solve the problem...

    Whether we as a global community like it or not we are going to have to co-exist for probably many a hundred years as the those less fortunate play catch up with those that are more fortunate.
     
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  5. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    So you do not see anything inherently immoral in child brides, FGM or the throwing of gays off of buildings.

    Is that right?

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  7. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    So promoting freedom is no better than promoting slavery to you. Ok.

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  8. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for this.

    We already outlaw some of the less savory religious practices, --- yet stupid people do not see that and think that religions rule governments and not the reality that governments rule over religions.

    That is governments fault for giving respect to religions that do not deserve it.

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  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No, that is incorrect.
     
  10. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    So you have no problem with Muslims having child brides, FGM or throwing gays off of buildings. Right?

    You asked which normality we should judge Islam with. Your own if what they promote bothers you.

    If it does not then you are not a moral man and I would not agree with you.

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  11. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Yet you are likely a law abiding person.

    I was clear that it was the ideology that needed to be fought yet many ignore that fact and want to change what I put to a war against people instead of ideas.

    Yes. It is our duty to correct those who are immoral.

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  12. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    No and neither does the law of the land since they have already bested most of the bibles laws.

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  13. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    1. Christ advocated a no divorce policy, which would force women to remain in loveless and often violent relationships.
    2. Yahweh/Jesus' policy on sacrifice and substitutionary atonement is violence against the innocent instead of the guilty.

    Do you need more examples of Christ's immoral teachings?

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  14. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Good. You recognize some immoral concepts.

    So why would you respect or protect a religion that causes such misery?

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    DL
     
  15. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Can you give any actual examples (passages from the bible, for example)? Preferably new-testament, given the OT is "satisfied" by Christs death?
     
  16. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Reciprocity and the Golden Rule are something that Islam does not believe in or preach.

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  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Do you respect the US Constitution?
     
  18. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Correct.

    Moral people understand Islam quite well and that is why they will name it as an immoral creed whenever they can thanks to it's immoral ideology.

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    DL
     
  19. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Your statement, then, isn't that "Islam" is immoral... but that ALL religion is immoral...
     
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  20. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    ??

    How does educating the public about the levels of morality of the various religions make anything worse?

    Are there other areas of thought that you think humanity should deny itself the truth?

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  21. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Will you respect a 50 year old man who introduces his 9 year old bide who has had FGM with her husbands consent?

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  22. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    A very few?

    If that were true, then Christianity would not be the homophobic and misogynous that it and Islam are.

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  23. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    ??

    Are you saying the authorities should not have moved against the Branch Dividians and David Koresh?

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    DL
     
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